How is ECL and Level adjustment handled in Pathfinder?


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Hey everybody,

forgive me if this is something that has been gone over already, but how are Level Adjustments to be handled in Pathfinder? I have a collection of new PC races that I wish to port over, and some of them have level adjustments.

I personally hate that part of the rules for 3.5, and would love it if a way has been found to do away with it entirely, while still allowing a wide variety of player choices.

Thanks,

Lee

Paizo Employee Chief Technical Officer

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Lee Garvin wrote:

Hey everybody,

forgive me if this is something that has been gone over already, but how are Level Adjustments to be handled in Pathfinder? I have a collection of new PC races that I wish to port over, and some of them have level adjustments.

I personally hate that part of the rules for 3.5, and would love it if a way has been found to do away with it entirely, while still allowing a wide variety of player choices.

Thanks,

Lee

I don't think its changed much, I'm sort of in the same position as you. I have a lot of so called monster races that I like as part of the game (Lizard Folk, Centaurs ect.) From the way you write I don't think I dislike Level ADjustment as you, but in any case my three groups have all agreed that for most part Charactes....

1. Level Adjustment goes down by one basicaly.

2. Whenever possible start the race with an extra +2 ablity that conforms to the way Pathfinder is currently doing player races.

3. Skill points/ranks may or maynot be your worst issue, after somewhat long debating we went back to the old skill list but kept the new skill system. Given that the basic Beta rule still holds, max ranks are = to the the Racial Level of the Race, The racial bonus remains the same (although my groups have had issues with this).

I know this isn't much help but so far it works for us. And Mind you this is all our House Decisions. I don't think Piazo has put out offical information. I would welcome anyone elses info offical or unoffical.

TTFN Dre

P.S. I'd also like to here your thoughts Lee.


It seems to me that several old races that were on the low side of LA+1 (Aasimar and tieflings, for example) would just have the LA waived and such. Higher LA creatures still need an LA, though it might be a lower one, perhaps by 1 point, perhaps not. The Pathfinder Beta races are more powerful than the PHB equivalent races, so there's a case to be made for decreasing LA, but some creatures either need to go with a Savage Species-esque progression or just be burdened with a level adjustment, because they give far more stuff than your average PC race. That's just the way it is.


Lee Garvin wrote:

Hey everybody,

forgive me if this is something that has been gone over already, but how are Level Adjustments to be handled in Pathfinder?

The official response is "To Be Determined".

Liberty's Edge

Disciple of Sakura wrote:
It seems to me that several old races that were on the low side of LA+1 (Aasimar and tieflings, for example) would just have the LA waived and such. Higher LA creatures still need an LA, though it might be a lower one, perhaps by 1 point, perhaps not. The Pathfinder Beta races are more powerful than the PHB equivalent races, so there's a case to be made for decreasing LA, but some creatures either need to go with a Savage Species-esque progression or just be burdened with a level adjustment, because they give far more stuff than your average PC race. That's just the way it is.

i agree

that is how i use it


hogarth wrote:
The official response is "To Be Determined".

Hey, that's how i'm handling it!!!! copy cat!


For my own part, I am a fan of the Savage Species method as well (in fact, if you check out my book, "The Noble Wild," you'll see that I used a variant of that system for many of the animal species), but as a previous poster has said, sometimes a race just gets more stuff. Unfortunately, this often leaves (for balance reasons) a Level Adjustment for the race. I've always felt that particular rule to be one of the Kludge-iest and most often ignored. I really liked how Pathfinder handled the multiclassing / preferred class issue, and was hoping there was something equally elegant and simple for this. You know; one of those ideas that is so simple that anyone could have thought of it but no did? Terry Pratchet's definition of genius.


I prefer the SS way too, for what it's worth
with the option to take monster levels if/when choose to
rather see racial HP dice rolled too, with a profession modifier

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