Mac Boyce
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Now that President Bush and his Cabinet are almost out of office, I'm curious to see what "grade" everyone would give him and the reasons why.....in a civil tongue. :)
Lets keep it only A (Best), B, C, D, E (Worst)
I personally would give him a C. The reasons behind it are that, even though I am a Democrat and didn't agree with his policies, he didn't flip-flop to try and please everyone and I can respect that. Also, not getting attack since 9-11 helps too. Where he failed with me was Iraq (we shouldn't have gone there and they shouldn't have lied to get us there), failure to work together with the Democrats (which in all fairness, we weren't all that good about that either) and giving America this "Us versus Them" attitude about Republicans and Democrats working together.
Anyone else??
| Abraham spalding |
I give him a "D"... we see the start of torture again as a means of US getting what it wants and two very sloppy wars (not lost just very sloppy), and very bad foreign policy. However he didn't try and institute martial law and force his way into a monarchy or "indefinite president" so he doesn't rate an "E".
Callous Jack
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thefishcometh wrote:I would give him an E. I am not going to explain my grade, and I will not argue with others who disagree.Except that in our state, E is the best grade you can get.
'F' was always the worst grade you could get when I was in school, I've never seen 'E' used before.
David Fryer
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David Fryer wrote:'F' was always the worst grade you could get when I was in school, I've never seen 'E' used before.thefishcometh wrote:I would give him an E. I am not going to explain my grade, and I will not argue with others who disagree.Except that in our state, E is the best grade you can get.
Here in Utah, the grading scale is E, S, N, U; which means excellent, satisfactory, needs improvement, unsatisfactory. I am happy to report that my kids get all Es in school.
Fake Healer
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Bill Dunn wrote:Shudders ....we did that once didn't we?D-
I'd give him an F but I don't want to make him repeat the course until he passes.
And yet I still see the "Bush/Cheney 2004" bumper stickers proudly displayed as if to say "yeah, I voted for someone who is going to go down in history as the worst president, so?!?". Some people can convince themselves of anything.....
| Garydee |
seekerofshadowlight wrote:And yet I still see the "Bush/Cheney 2004" bumper stickers proudly displayed as if to say "yeah, I voted for someone who is going to go down in history as the worst president, so?!?". Some people can convince themselves of anything.....Bill Dunn wrote:Shudders ....we did that once didn't we?D-
I'd give him an F but I don't want to make him repeat the course until he passes.
... or some don't buy into liberal propaganda either.
| Lathiira |
Report Card:
Economics: F
Foreign Policy: D
Domestic policy: D
Environment: D
History: D+
Homeland Security: B+
Comments: Possesses ability to stick to his guns. Also possesses ability to ignore public opinion. Highly commendable features. Not going to win popularity contests. In the future, needs to practice long-term planning.
Fake Healer
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Bush has not even gotten on the list yet as one of the worst.
Everything I have been hearing says that he is going to be judged very harshly by history and they are expecting him to be ranked as the worst president ever. I don't know about a "list" but that is enough for me. Two crappy wars, one entered with misinformation that was used to get other countries involved in it. A financial debacle that, while not his doing, had nothing done by him when he was informed to avoid it. The man has planted seeds of anti-american sentiment across the whole globe. A horrendous debt that will grow for many years while the pieces of his failed regime continue to fall. Yeah, I call that the worst. It isn't me looking at or "buying into" liberal propaganda, it's me taking a real look at the failing of the person who drove our country for 8 years. Somehow he had enough charisma to trick people into voting him in for a second term and that was his only move of any brilliance: pulling the wool over the eyes of enough idiots.
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Crimson Jester
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"This week's edition of U.S. News & World Report asks: Is George W. Bush's presidency shaping up to be one of the worst in U.S. history?Crimson Jester wrote:Bush has not even gotten on the list yet as one of the worst.Everything I have been hearing says that he is going to be judged very harshly by history and they are expecting him to be ranked as the worst president ever. I don't know about a "list" but that is enough for me. Two crappy wars, one entered with misinformation that was used to get other countries involved in it. A financial debacle that, while not his doing, had nothing done by him when he was informed to avoid it. The man has planted seeds of anti-american sentiment across the whole globe. A horrendous debt that will grow for many years while the pieces of his failed regime continue to fall. Yeah, I call that the worst. It isn't me looking at or "buying into" liberal propaganda, it's me taking a real look at the failing of the person who drove our country for 8 years. Somehow he had enough charisma to trick people into voting him in for a second term and that was his only move of any brilliance: pulling the wool over the eyes of enough idiots.
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"You hear the question being asked more and more these days. And more and more, you hear the same answer," Jay Tolson writes in the magazine. "With Iraq a shambles and trust in the administration declining, it is probably not surprising that 54 percent of respondents in a recent USA TODAY/Gallup survey said that history would judge Bush a below-average or poor president, more than twice the number who gave such a rating to any of the five preceding occupants of the White House, including Gerald Ford and Jimmy Carter."
Here's the magazine's list of the nation's 10 worst presidents
1. James Buchanan
2. Warren G. Harding
3. Andrew Johnson
4. Franklin Pierce
5. Millard Fillmore
6. John Tyler
7. Ulysses S. Grant
8. William Harrison
9. Herbert Hoover | Richard Nixon (tie)
10. Zachary Taylor
Where would you put President Bush on a list of former presidents?"
Quoted from their website.
I would also point out that Peirce #4 should probably be higher on the list and that Bush is a descendant of Peirce.
| Garydee |
Somehow he had enough charisma to trick people into voting him in for a second term and that was his only move of any brilliance: pulling the wool over the eyes of enough idiots.
E-
What a way to show class Fake Healer. Calling millions of Bush voters idiots. Just because certain people don't share your point of view doesn't make them an idiot.
| Kirth Gersen |
Taking a long-term view, the guy is absolutely nowhere near as bad as James Buchanan was. Even his pro-torture and "it's not illegal if the president does it" attitudes don't compare with the sheer mass of corruption during the Grant and Harding administrations. (I personally disagree with a number of the other U.S. News picks: Millard Fillmore, for example, was fairly exemplary except for the fact that he lacked clairvoyance, and I feel that Nixon, apart from Watergate, was exactly what the U.S. needed at that time -- someone who would quit issuing empty threats to the Russians long enough to focus on civil disorder here at home.)
What W. represents to me is the ugly demise of the Reagan-era Republican Party. Big government and big spending used to be Democratic watchwords; now they're ubiquitous. "Conservative," up until a decade or so ago, often meant "careful with money;" now it apparently means "born again." I wouldn't be surprised if a third party -- one that represents fiscal conservatism -- comes around and replaces the Republican Party sooner or later, much in the way the Whigs were phased out.
Overall? He's not the worst, but he's hardly a good one, either. I give him a "D."
| The Jade |
Taking a long-term view, the guy is absolutely nowhere near as bad as James Buchanan was.
James Buchanan caved in kitten heads with his boot heel and harvested their brains for his morning oatmeal.
James Buchanan once shot a man in Reno just to check to see if his gun was loaded.
James Buchanan invented cow rape.
James Buchanan was Hitler's great grandfather, and started the chain of physical abuse from father to son that would one day erupt in an attempt to conquer the world, kill off an entire race, and make french fries illegal.
James Buchanan canceled Firefly.
It's all true because I submitted it to Wikipedia five minutes ago.
Fatespinner
RPG Superstar 2013 Top 32
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Hmmm... this is actually kind of tough for me. I'm gonna have to go with a C. Yeah, the economy tanked. Can we really place the blame for that on his shoulders? No, I don't think so. He may have SOMETHING to do with it, but I doubt he's the primary catalyst in the equation.
The war in Iraq? Yeah, okay, it's overkill. It should've ended awhile ago. We don't need to hang out and "keep the peace" anymore. "Peacekeeping" is just a fancy political word for "occupation" in my opinion.
I thought that 9/11 was handled pretty well. Say what you want about the Patriot Act and all that stuff, but it hasn't harmed me in the slightest and it sends a powerful message to would-be terrorists that the U.S. isn't going to take their crap anymore.
And hey, let's not forget the stimulus, eh? Free money!
Yeah, I'll go with C. Not as good as his dad (who I'd give a B+ to) or Clinton (who was probably also a B), but it could've been a heck of a lot worse.
The Eldritch Mr. Shiny
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As a Libertarian-leaning Independent, I liked the fact that he stuck to his guns (more than often literally) nearly all the time. However, I find it terrifying that someone could so easily centralize the government by so much, that quickly. And if you're going to attempt to fight two wars at once, at least own up to why you're doing it, rather than dodging the question like Mr. Bush did ever so frequently. If he'd been up-front with the American people about the war from the start, I still wouldn't have supported him, but I would have at least respected his integrity.
I'm going to pass this guy, but only so I don't have to have him in my class again. George Walker Bush, I give you a D-.
The Eldritch Mr. Shiny
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Kirth Gersen wrote:Taking a long-term view, the guy is absolutely nowhere near as bad as James Buchanan was.James Buchanan caved in kitten heads with his boot heel and harvested their brains for his morning oatmeal.
James Buchanan once shot a man in Reno just to check to see if his gun was loaded.
James Buchanan invented cow rape.
James Buchanan was Hitler's great grandfather.
James Buchanan canceled Firefly.
It's all true because I submitted it to Wikipedia five minutes ago.
James Buchanan didn't get anything done when he was in office. Which, however, is better than getting negative things done in office. Sort of like what Bush did.
| Greg A. Vaughan Frog God Games |
C for right now. Talk to me again in 20 years. There's a lot of history to hash out here before true hindsight kicks in. Lincoln was quite the unpopular buffoon too IIRC (brought his country to open civil war and all that), but he seems to have edged up the scale quite a bit since (probably into the top 2 overall). I think we're fooling ourselves and just buying into current partisan politics if we think we've already got the historical perspective on this. Time will tell for the good or for the bad.