In my playtest game, one of the PCs is an enchantment-focused wizard. I find that the dividing lines for enchantments could use a little clarification and collection, and I think a sidebar along the lines of the Bluff DC chart would be helpful.
The enchantment spells are also short of examples, so having a few would help DMs figure out what's a "reasonable" or "unreasonable" suggestion. I was also applying a DC modifier to Suggestion spells based on the temperament of the monster (law/chaos, good/evil) and the phrasing of the suggestion, and that could be generalized to fit most enchantments.
Enchantment spells can have a big impact on a combat and also greatly affect how much fun players are having, so I think it's worth spending the time to shape enchantments in a fun but challenging way.
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In my playtest game, one of the PCs is an enchantment-focused wizard. I find that the dividing lines for enchantments could use a little clarification and collection, and I think a sidebar along the lines of the Bluff DC chart would be helpful.
The enchantment spells are also short of examples, so having a few would help DMs figure out what's a "reasonable" or "unreasonable" suggestion. I was also applying a DC modifier to Suggestion spells based on the temperament of the monster (law/chaos, good/evil) and the phrasing of the suggestion, and that could be generalized to fit most enchantments.
Enchantment spells can have a big impact on a combat and also greatly affect how much fun players are having, so I think it's worth spending the time to shape enchantments in a fun but challenging way.
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Enchantment has always been a little bit hazy, the language is intentionally open to interpretation. I don't think we need rules, but a guideline/suggestion sidebar would be perfect.
Have you seen the Charm & Compulsion section in the glossary chapter (on pages 393-394)? It's a pretty good reference for adjudicating enchantments.
Have you seen the Charm & Compulsion section in the glossary chapter (on pages 393-394)? It's a pretty good reference for adjudicating enchantments.
No, I hadn't noticed that, thanks for pointing it out. I think it's a good start and covers general power levels for charm and compulsion spells. However, this conversation does highlight what's the most frustrating aspect of Pathfinder for me - the lack of cross-references.
I know it's really hard to do cross-referencing right in the beta, but I'd like to see better referencing in the final version.