I do not like how the new grapple is defined and plays out. I had a chance to see it at work during my campaign and there are just too many questions about it.
In what status is the one that initiated the grapple?
Does only the one who initiated it get the +5 bonus afterwards?
Why? If the other person also wants to grapple it does not matter who started it. I have personal experience in martial arts grappling and it does not matter who started it. Actually the whole +5 bonus thing is unrealistic.
Personally, if grapple stays the was it is now, I will be using 3.5e rules for it. For me they were logical and never complicated.
I do not like how the new grapple is defined and plays out. I had a chance to see it at work during my campaign and there are just too many questions about it.
In what status is the one that initiated the grapple?
Does only the one who initiated it get the +5 bonus afterwards?
Why? If the other person also wants to grapple it does not matter who started it. I have personal experience in martial arts grappling and it does not matter who started it. Actually the whole +5 bonus thing is unrealistic.Personally, if grapple stays the was it is now, I will be using 3.5e rules for it. For me they were logical and never complicated.
Coming from a grappling background I can agree with you here. The 3.5 rules where good. There should be options for you if you are winning the grapple. That person should be at your mercy if loosing badly enough. 3.5 had a good list of things you could do to someone while winning, we need to see something like that here.
One of the problem I have seen with grapple in my ST PRPG playtest is that when you are caught in grapple, to escape, DC15+opponent's CMB is just impossible (except on the roll of 20).
With an opposed roll, if you opponent rolls badly, you have a better chance to escape. If the DC is always 15+CMB, you can only hope to roll 20.
I do not like how the new grapple is defined and plays out. I had a chance to see it at work during my campaign and there are just too many questions about it.
In what status is the one that initiated the grapple?
Does only the one who initiated it get the +5 bonus afterwards?
Why? If the other person also wants to grapple it does not matter who started it. I have personal experience in martial arts grappling and it does not matter who started it. Actually the whole +5 bonus thing is unrealistic.
See either General Discussion "Is grappling mutual?" or the new Combat board "[CMB] clarifications and changes so far?" There may be a repost from the first to the second, but we have clarified the current grapple rules as well as proposed changes. It may not keep you from using 3.5, but you can see what PF is supposed to be under all the confusion.