A Russian economist and political scientist is predicting that the United States will break up into at least six different countriesIt would make more sense if he had said 50 different countries.
When a block of states forms one of his six countries which state government gets to lead? Dozens of civil wars will ensue. Mexico and Canada will swoop in to mop up.
The final war to take place in heartland of America will be between Canada & Mexico (the 'Canaxico War' as it will called it in the history books).
I wonder if there will be any killer robots in this war?
Jal Dorak! Nameless!
Summon the Polar Bear Riders, unleash the Sasquatch Marines, and call Ogopogo to arms! We're heading south.
Be afraid. I still have those Barry Manilow CDs ready to launch. They're deadlier than a ICBM. Kinda like an 'unsmart' bomb. They'll turn your populace into a complacent mob of zombies. You'll think that you're in control of your lives, but in reality you will be serving the U.S.
*wait, that was the Matrix. oops*
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Jal Dorak! Nameless!
Summon the Polar Bear Riders, unleash the Sasquatch Marines, and call Ogopogo to arms! We're heading south.What?
No Mounties? No Alpha Flight?
Jack,
They've been at it for years. Celene Dion, Brion Adams, Shania Twain, Alanis Morissette. Those weren't accidents, they've just been trying to find the perfect music for the psy-ops.
Jal Dorak! Nameless!
Summon the Polar Bear Riders, unleash the Sasquatch Marines, and call Ogopogo to arms! We're heading south.What?
No Mounties? No Alpha Flight?Jack,
They've been at it for years. Celene Dion, Brion Adams, Shania Twain, Alanis Morissette. Those weren't accidents, they've just been trying to find the perfect music for the psy-ops.
I thought Canada officially apologized for Bryan Adams. Wait a minute, that was on South Park.
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Jal Dorak! Nameless!
Summon the Polar Bear Riders, unleash the Sasquatch Marines, and call Ogopogo to arms! We're heading south.What?
No Mounties? No Alpha Flight?
Don't forget that we beat them at their own game. After the Civil War, we sent all the superheroes we didn't want to Canada where they became Canada's official superteam, Omega Flight. ;p
Jal Dorak! Nameless!
Summon the Polar Bear Riders, unleash the Sasquatch Marines, and call Ogopogo to arms! We're heading south.What?
No Mounties? No Alpha Flight?Jack,
They've been at it for years. Celene Dion, Brion Adams, Shania Twain, Alanis Morissette. Those weren't accidents, they've just been trying to find the perfect music for the psy-ops.
Hey the torture thread is elsewhere! lol.
Simply as weapons of self defense, used only in extreme circumstances, we could counter with Barry, the Jonas Brothers, and Paris Hilton (singing version).
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Besides, didn't we already have a scuffle over this separation thing a while back. Call me a Yankee sympathizer, but this Southerner concurs with Lincoln: the Union must, and shall be, preserved.
talking about that
i have heard that the south still has a grudge on the northern union :Pand California could exist without the rest of you all :P
still *shrugs* i am just watching, i am more worried aboutthe big wave for 2012 :P
It took an issue as huge as slavery and the expansion of slavery into new territories and the effect that would have on the balance of power in the federal goverment, after 40-odd years of barely diffused crises, to do it the last time. I have a hard time imagining something like that occuring again without decades of tremendous turmoil to presage it.
it was not slavery, thatis just the pretext... an industrial country needed a labor force... but not in the cotton camps
they madethem free but not citizens for another century... sorry but i don't see the good will
its always all about money... they just give soldiers a decent cause to die for...
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A Russian economist and political scientist is predicting that the United States will break up into at least six different countriesIt would make more sense if he had said 50 different countries.
When a block of states forms one of his six countries which state government gets to lead? Dozens of civil wars will ensue. Mexico and Canada will swoop in to mop up.
The final war to take place in heartland of America will be between Canada & Mexico (the 'Canaxico War' as it will called it in the history books).
I wonder if there will be any killer robots in this war?
we are reasonable
we can negotiatewe can sell you oil and good in exchange of wood and industrialiced products
also we will be too damn occupied gettting back central america
Summon the Polar Bear Riders, unleash the Sasquatch Marines, and call Ogopogo to arms! We're heading south.Be afraid. I still have those Barry Manilow CDs ready to launch. They're deadlier than a ICBM. Kinda like an 'unsmart' bomb. They'll turn your populace into a complacent mob of zombies. You'll think that you're in control of your lives, but in reality you will be serving the U.S.
*wait, that was the Matrix. oops*
do you really want thatwe get our secret arms from bellow the aztec piramids?, bring back the ancient blood magic and take our canadian prisoners to be sacrificed for the glory of Tezcatlipoca?
also wehave the Yakis in the north... they are savage and unrelentess... they won't be stopped... noteven by death :P
and we have already troops inside both countries :P you both willfall from within
Hey the torture thread is elsewhere! lol.
Simply as weapons of self defense, used only in extreme circumstances, we could counter with Barry, the Jonas Brothers, and Paris Hilton (singing version).
believe me... we have enough to send your way over the borders... you will suffer for your denial in parlaying!
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And don't forget the war between MI and OH over Toledo!...a regional myth going around where I grew up that the entire eastern half of Washington state was going to shoot for statehood and consider taking the northern half of North Idaho with it....I used to hear similar things about Upper Michigan and a chunk of northern Wisconsin.
They can have it. It seems they like to turn all of their cities in cesspits. This one comes "pre-cessed". :)
On the other hand, we will be taking Tony Packo's, thank you very much.
No, really, it is.
Summon the Polar Bear Riders, unleash the Sasquatch Marines, and call Ogopogo to arms! We're heading south.
> CHECK OUT < the Ogopogo forces lined up for a quick strike on paizo!
Look out!!
Riiiiiggghhhhtttt. Although, technically, I wouldn’t mind watching all the states dissolve and letting the Federal government run things.
I wonder if he was reading the Rifts sourcebook when he made his “prediction.”
Not to mention I bet Canada would fight like hell to get Alaska if it went into play.
I'm not sure we have any real claim. It was never ours, nor a part of the British Empire.
A Russian economist and political scientist is predicting that the United States will break up into at least six different countries before the end of Obama's term. He says that it is because people will realize that Obama cannot work miracles and so they will lose faith in the whole American system.
Ah, it's just Russian sour grapes because this is EXACTLY what happened to the old USSR... Replace "Obama" with "Gorbachev" and later with "the Soviet system" and you'll see that's what happened in 1992. :)
Let's try ;) : "A Russian economist and political scientist is predicting that the Soviet Union will break up into at least six different countries before the end of Gorbachev's term. He says that it is because people will realize that Marxism-Leninsim cannot work miracles and so they will lose faith in the whole Soviet system."
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Jal Dorak! Nameless!
Summon the Polar Bear Riders, unleash the Sasquatch Marines, and call Ogopogo to arms! We're heading south.What?
No Mounties? No Alpha Flight?Jack,
They've been at it for years. Celene Dion, Brion Adams, Shania Twain, Alanis Morissette. Those weren't accidents, they've just been trying to find the perfect music for the psy-ops.
You forgot William Shatner's spoken word and the Cowboy Junkies, wait, nevermind everybody forgets the Cowboy junkies.
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You forgot William shatners spoken word and the Cowboy Junkies, wait, nevermind everybody forgets the Cowboy junkies.Jal Dorak! Nameless!
Summon the Polar Bear Riders, unleash the Sasquatch Marines, and call Ogopogo to arms! We're heading south.What?
No Mounties? No Alpha Flight?Jack,
They've been at it for years. Celene Dion, Brion Adams, Shania Twain, Alanis Morissette. Those weren't accidents, they've just been trying to find the perfect music for the psy-ops.
It was an illustrative list, not an exhaustive one.
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... and the Cowboy Junkies, wait, nevermind everybody forgets the Cowboy junkies.I like the Cowboy Junkies. They came to my house once.
Cool, I've never been able to see them live. They have never played anywhere I've lived except Dallas and they only played there after I left. I was positive they were just a studio band until they released a "live" album.
Cool, I've never been able to see them live. They have never played anywhere I've lived except Dallas and they only played there after I left. I was positive they were just a studio band until they released a "live" album.... and the Cowboy Junkies, wait, nevermind everybody forgets the Cowboy junkies.I like the Cowboy Junkies. They came to my house once.
Is that like Aberzombie or Lich-loved releasing a live album? Undead of the world unite! Throw off the shackles of the flesh!
*Sorry, don't know where this stuff comes from. Just have to type it out to get it out of my head*
Ummm, flesh...nummy
*cough* "South/Latin America" *cough* :-)But the US did not suppress twenty different nations for 70 years or so.Not as directly as the Soviets did, anyway.
The differences that proves PDC's point...
Simply as weapons of self defense, ...
Paris Hilton (singing version).
This works fine in ANY version, be it singing, partying, talking airhead stuff, designing stuff, or getting VERY private videos of her made...
Stefan
This guy is looking at whole states and getting things seriously wrong. As it stands here in the state of Washington, The split is likely to be that everything West of the Cascades would go where Oregon goes, and the Eastern side would attach to Idaho. If we're looking at political tensions, the dynamics aren't necessarily defined by state borders.
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The most realistic and plausible split of the Union that I've seen is as depicted in Orson Scott Card's Empire. He splits it up Red State vs Blue State - it's really the only thing that makes sense. Granted there's plenty of swing states, but that's where all the conflict would take place in the inevitable civil war following this scenario. Follow the link and read that chapter - it's creepy.
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This guy is looking at whole states and getting things seriously wrong. As it stands here in the state of Washington, The split is likely to be that everything West of the Cascades would go where Oregon goes, and the Eastern side would attach to Idaho. If we're looking at political tensions, the dynamics aren't necessarily defined by state borders.
agreed
portions of southern CA would reform with mexico, the central valley would go toward Nevada/Arizona and northern CA would go with the PNW.
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A Russian economist and political scientist is predicting that the United States will break up into at least six different countries before the end of Obama's term. He says that it is because people will realize that Obama cannot work miracles and so they will lose faith in the whole American system. The six regions he predicts are:
the Pacific Coast
The South
Texas
The Atlantic Coast
The Native American States (North and South Dakota, Colorado, Wyoming, Utah, Arizona, and Oklahoma)
The Northern TierOf course his analysis omits Hawaii, and has Alaska becoming part of Russia again. There is also a lot of states that don't seem to fit into these bubbles. What do you think?
Y'know, this topic is a little close to my heart. As a gamemaster that's run several near-future and not-extremely-far-future settings, I've tried to extrapolate likely courses that nations may take (including the inevitable collapse of the USA) several times over.
Apparently this political scientist has no clue about the States or Americans. If the US were to break down, it wouldn't be simply because economic woes (it would take a lot more than that, or it would be an excruciatingly slow process), it highly unlikely that it would split along state borders, etc. Apparently he seem to the that the USA is built upon similar foundations as the USSR.
Even for a poorly-wrought cyberpunk story, his prediction doesn't allow for a modicum of suspension of disbelief. Bleh.
The most realistic and plausible split of the Union that I've seen is as depicted in Orson Scott Card's Empire. He splits it up Red State vs Blue State - it's really the only thing that makes sense. Granted there's plenty of swing states, but that's where all the conflict would take place in the inevitable civil war following this scenario. Follow the link and read that chapter - it's creepy.
Interesting, and creepy. Now I'm gonna buy this book.
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This guy is looking at whole states and getting things seriously wrong. As it stands here in the state of Washington, The split is likely to be that everything West of the Cascades would go where Oregon goes, and the Eastern side would attach to Idaho. If we're looking at political tensions, the dynamics aren't necessarily defined by state borders.agreed
portions of southern CA would reform with mexico, the central valley would go toward Nevada/Arizona and northern CA would go with the PNW.
nah
CA would take from mexico the 2 Baja Californias and create its own island state after the Great One that really takesit away from the mainlandand it will take with ti 60% of US Food :P (not sure about %... i just remember it was high)
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I don't think Texas would want Oklahoma. Too much of a rivalry.Whatever happens NM, CO and OK will never rejoin TX unless by force.That could be arranged. Heathy?
Having grown up in Oklahoma, I agree.
Texas and Oklahoma will join a coalition about a week after Mahmoud Abbas gets elected president of Israel, but nobody will notice because of all the flying pigs.
Tons of states (and regions) talk the talk about seperatism (Alaska, Hawaii, Vermont, northern California) but I don't think that the crazies will ever amount to anything.
We'll just have the usual militias and millenialist cults holing themselves up and blowing up federal buildings for a few years, same as last time we had a Democrat in the White House. They'll make the not-crazy crowd step back from the rhetoric for awhile.
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The most realistic and plausible split of the Union that I've seen is as depicted in Orson Scott Card's Empire. He splits it up Red State vs Blue State - it's really the only thing that makes sense. Granted there's plenty of swing states, but that's where all the conflict would take place in the inevitable civil war following this scenario. Follow the link and read that chapter - it's creepy.
whoa! thanks
read itleft me intrigued
need more
i ask myself if he is as good as predicting thing as Tom Clancy
The differences that proves PDC's point...Yeah, that is kind of why I was smiling at the end.
Oops, sorry, Aberrant Templar. I misread what kind of smiley it was...which is sad.
I don't think Texas would want Oklahoma. Too much of a rivalry.Whatever happens NM, CO and OK will never rejoin TX unless by force.That could be arranged. Heathy?
That's correct. I think a lot of this is that Okies are really mid-westerners who ended up next to TX by the accidents of history.
But since I lived in OK 3 years, I've spread the word in TX about the unused land in OK that could serve as good pasture and eliminate an annoyance at a stroke.Plus,
A Russian economist and political scientist is predicting that the United States will break up into at least six different countriesIt would make more sense if he had said 50 different countries.
When a block of states forms one of his six countries which state government gets to lead? Dozens of civil wars will ensue. Mexico and Canada will swoop in to mop up.
The final war to take place in heartland of America will be between Canada & Mexico (the 'Canaxico War' as it will called it in the history books).
I wonder if there will be any killer robots in this war?
Jal Dorak! Nameless!
Summon the Polar Bear Riders, unleash the Sasquatch Marines, and call Ogopogo to arms! We're heading south.
You forgot some more of our forces Tarren. Summon the Beavers to dam the rivers and choke off the water supply and cut down the trees and send the canada geese to dive bomb all the cars with their crap and if the Americans try to return Celine Dion well it will be tolerable until victory! Oh and Callous Jack the Mounties are police forces for maintaining order after the war. ;)
On a more seious note the US will not fall apart anytime soon. The last time it took some sweeping economic reorganization of a scale far more massive (proportionally) than anything that could be the case today. The only way I could in theory see the US getting ripped apart is if China AND Russia together launched an all out nuclear war or a sufficiently large comet or asteroid smashed at least part of the US to pieces although even those would not likely break Americans unity.
Actually going back to the Jesusland comment put the United States of Canada into Wikipedia and check out the result.
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Whatever happens NM, CO and OK will never rejoin TX unless by force.That could be arranged. Heathy?
I don't think we'd want them.
(seriously)
I was born in Minnesota, raised in Florida, and live in Texas.
If this happened I don't know where I should even go, and I don't think I'm the only one.
I don't see this great schism happening until the oil runs out, and assuming we don't find a replacement energy source that does pretty much the same thing as oil does for us.
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All kidding aside, I kinda like Oklahoma.
New Mexico's cool too, I just got freaked out there cause I never seen so damn much desert, ant the altitude (Florida=low) is high for me, and I had a cold the whole time I was there.
But it's cool as hell. New Mexico...I think Costa Rica was less alien of a place to me. Desert and mountains freak me out.
Whatever happens NM, CO and OK will never rejoin TX unless by force.That could be arranged. Heathy?I don't think we'd want them.
(seriously)
I was born in Minnesota, raised in Florida, and live in Texas.
If this happened I don't know where I should even go, and I don't think I'm the only one.
I don't see this great schism happening until the oil runs out, and assuming we don't find a replacement energy source that does pretty much the same thing as oil does for us.
And even then I think that we would cope. Somehow. We always do. Now granted, that coping would not be easy, but we would get by.
All kidding aside, I kinda like Oklahoma.
New Mexico's cool too, I just got freaked out there cause I never seen so damn much desert, ant the altitude (Florida=low) is high for me, and I had a cold the whole time I was there.
But it's cool as hell. New Mexico...I think Costa Rica was less alien of a place to me. Desert and mountains freak me out.
Funny...the first time I went to NM, I got a terrible flu and spent the whole time in the cabin and between hot-tub and sauna. (Second trip was fantastic. This is why I want the Taos area back.)
I thought Dallas was dry....I had a nosebleed for a month when I first moved here.
Dang. OK is drier than Dallas. I guess I didn't notice it the last time I was in NM--though I was in northern NM, so maybe it's not as dry. Last time was in May too, not in winter.
Sounds like Houston...
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I thought Dallas was dry....I had a nosebleed for a month when I first moved here.Dang. OK is drier than Dallas. I guess I didn't notice it the last time I was in NM--though I was in northern NM, so maybe it's not as dry. Last time was in May too, not in winter.
avarage NM humidity 21% summer 40% winter, avarage Albuquerque humidity 17%summer 30% winter. The mountains during winter are around 65%wetter than Phoenix and Las Vegas. Dehydration and altitude sickness combined with a cold would suck anywhere.
Well, I grew up in Florida. It's like you have to swim through the air there almost.
LIKE?!? Like?!? Dude! You DO have to swim through it! I should know. First, Savannah is not that much different than Florida, sad to say. Second, I have lived in Jacksonville, Orlando, and been through most of the rest of Florida at some time or another. That is not air, it is just lighter water.
When I go back to Dallas to visit my folks I have trouble breathing for the first couple of days because of the humidity.
Try living in Central Texas with asthma. Talk about hard to breathe.
Love central Texas...but the only place I have ever had worse allergies is central California. Asthma? Yikes.
Hey Ubermench...ever been to Mountain Aire?