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OK I got my expansion for World of Warcraft, and realized one thing is missing from the history of Golarion...Heroes!
OK, WOW has Arthas, a fallen Paladin who destroys cities and strands his soldiers on icy shores, seeks a cursed sword and eventually merges his soul with the Lich King. There is Illidan the Betrayer, and many more which I do not know the full stories to.
Golarion needs some of these heroes, and I don't mean the ascended gods. Perhaps the Whispering Tyrant could spawn these stories of legendary heroes, to end with with Iomedae defeating him.
Or perhaps better yet a new story all together. The World Wound could be rife with legends and heroes... Something that ties major events of the world together, draws up an overarching story arc for the entire world.
What ya think...
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OK I got my expansion for World of Warcraft, and realized one thing is missing from the history of Golarion...Heroes!
OK, WOW has Arthas, a fallen Paladin who destroys cities and strands his soldiers on icy shores, seeks a cursed sword and eventually merges his soul with the Lich King. There is Illidan the Betrayer, and many more which I do not know the full stories to.
Golarion needs some of these heroes, and I don't mean the ascended gods. Perhaps the Whispering Tyrant could spawn these stories of legendary heroes, to end with with Iomedae defeating him.
Or perhaps better yet a new story all together. The World Wound could be rife with legends and heroes... Something that ties major events of the world together, draws up an overarching story arc for the entire world.
What ya think...
Two reasons we haven't done much with Golarion's heroes yet...
1) The PCs are the heroes.
2) We'll be doing Pathfinder fiction soon. That's the best place to start talking hero.
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OK I got my expansion for World of Warcraft, and realized one thing is missing from the history of Golarion...Heroes!
OK, WOW has Arthas, a fallen Paladin who destroys cities and strands his soldiers on icy shores, seeks a cursed sword and eventually merges his soul with the Lich King. There is Illidan the Betrayer, and many more which I do not know the full stories to.
Golarion needs some of these heroes, and I don't mean the ascended gods. Perhaps the Whispering Tyrant could spawn these stories of legendary heroes, to end with with Iomedae defeating him.
Or perhaps better yet a new story all together. The World Wound could be rife with legends and heroes... Something that ties major events of the world together, draws up an overarching story arc for the entire world.
What ya think...
Two reasons we haven't done much with Golarion's heroes yet...
1) The PCs are the heroes.
2) We'll be doing Pathfinder fiction soon. That's the best place to start talking hero.
I know the PCs ARE the heroes, but who WERE the heroes of the past... fiction is a GREAT place to deal with this. So, ummmm when can we expect to see these books? You know we are all dying for them :) COurse I also don't want rushed crappy stories either that appeal only to teeny boppers... :) no pressure at all! :)
Two reasons we haven't done much with Golarion's heroes yet...
2) We'll be doing Pathfinder fiction soon. That's the best place to start talking hero.
I really like point #2. Novels or fiction based in Golarion's past would not only be a great read, but would avoid lots of messing around with the Golarion's present. There have to be plenty of stories just from the timelines presented in the CS.
Stories I'd like to see;
* A hero protecting his/her human tribe during the Age of Darkness
* Someone living during the dwarven Quest for Sky
* The Conquests of Tar-Baphon
Anyway, I'm looking forward to some Golarion fiction.
* Someone living during the dwarven Quest for Sky
Should be a journal
Day 1: Number of orcs killed: 5. Beard situation: 3 feet and growing. Still no Sky.
Day 17: Number of orcs killed 14. Pretty intense. Beard situation: 4 feet, stumbled over it twice. Need to braid it and tie it to the belt or something. Still no sky
Day 224: Number of orcs killed: 1. Booooring. Beard situation: Seems to have stopped growth at 5 feet. Bludgeoned a fellow dwarf with it. Should wash it one of these years. Still no sky
Day 325: Number of orcs killed: 10. Number of orcs killed with beard: 7. Number of orcs killed with beard's stench: 3. Suckers. Beard situation: Has become sentient, agreed to do my watch for me. Feel strangely attracted to svirfneblin guide. His animal companion will kill me if I try anything. And still no stinking sky.
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We've also mentioned several heroes in the course of the adventures, mostly in histories and such. Characters like Mandravius and the like. But we certainly haven't done much with them. Again, to expand on my first point above: by avoiding doing to much with Golarion's NPC heroes, we keep the PCS on center stage longer. One of the most common complaints leveled at FR was that with so many heroes, why do the PCs ever have to do anything? Personally, I think that a game world can HAVE lots of heroic NPCs and still have plenty for the PCs to have to do... but a lot of fans get annoyed if there's too many NPCs. So we're taking it slow with Golarion's.
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We've also mentioned several heroes in the course of the adventures, mostly in histories and such. Characters like Mandravius and the like. But we certainly haven't done much with them. Again, to expand on my first point above: by avoiding doing to much with Golarion's NPC heroes, we keep the PCS on center stage longer. One of the most common complaints leveled at FR was that with so many heroes, why do the PCs ever have to do anything? Personally, I think that a game world can HAVE lots of heroic NPCs and still have plenty for the PCs to have to do... but a lot of fans get annoyed if there's too many NPCs. So we're taking it slow with Golarion's.
agreed
sometimes it feels that PC are not necesary ebcause there is already someone who could take the problem and solve it easily... but hedoes not just to give the players a chance to be heroes... "Elmister i am watching you!!"but yes, while knowing abit more from Golarion heroes is good and atleast in the campaign setting 3 to 4 are descibed by region, its good that it is shown thatthe players are the main characters and not just extras in someone else history... (i really hate how one of my DM does master the game... *hits head hard against table*)
One of the most common complaints leveled at FR was that with so many heroes, why do the PCs ever have to do anything?
I think this is pretty much unevitable result of long, eventful and complicated metaplot. Well, in case of FR this was made worse by huge numbers of metaplot-important novels, characters and events from which pretty much dominated the setting. But I've heard the same complaints against every setting with big, NPC-driven, metaplot, I'm familiar about (many oWoD "signature characters" were hated by fans hardly less than Elminster). Now I prefer setting without advancing official timeline for heroic games (this is one of the things that Exalted got right).
Should be a journal
Day 1: Number of orcs killed: 5. Beard situation: 3 feet and growing. Still no Sky.
Day 17: Number of orcs killed 14. Pretty intense. Beard situation: 4 feet, stumbled over it twice. Need to braid it and tie it to the belt or something. Still no sky
Day 224: Number of orcs killed: 1. Booooring. Beard situation: Seems to have stopped growth at 5 feet. Bludgeoned a fellow dwarf with it. Should wash it one of these years. Still no sky
Day 325: Number of orcs killed: 10. Number of orcs killed with beard: 7. Number of orcs killed with beard's stench: 3. Suckers. Beard situation: Has become sentient, agreed to do my watch for me. Feel strangely attracted to svirfneblin guide. His animal companion will kill me if I try anything. And still no stinking sky.
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Best. Post. Ever. :)
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We've also mentioned several heroes in the course of the adventures, mostly in histories and such. Characters like Mandravius and the like. But we certainly haven't done much with them. Again, to expand on my first point above: by avoiding doing to much with Golarion's NPC heroes, we keep the PCS on center stage longer. One of the most common complaints leveled at FR was that with so many heroes, why do the PCs ever have to do anything? Personally, I think that a game world can HAVE lots of heroic NPCs and still have plenty for the PCs to have to do... but a lot of fans get annoyed if there's too many NPCs. So we're taking it slow with Golarion's.
I certainly understand the complaint if those heroes are still living. But in RL no one was calling on Achilles or Sampson to help out in WWII when Audie Murphy became a war hero.
I think a world that has never had heroes before the PCs makes for a very dull world. Surely at least once in the thousands of years of Gollarion history someone did something heroic. At least once...
I am not really interested in living NPC heroes being fleshed out like FR. I want historical heroes fleshed out. When my fighter was a child, who did he look up to? Or did he say "When I grow up I want to be just like me! There are no heroes in our history so I am the best there ever was." I mean if that were the case they wouldn't even know the word hero...
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I certainly understand the complaint if those heroes are still living. But in RL no one was calling on Achilles or Sampson to help out in WWII when Audie Murphy became a war hero.
I think a world that has never had heroes before the PCs makes for a very dull world. Surely at least once in the thousands of years of Gollarion history someone did something heroic. At least once...
I am not really interested in living NPC heroes being fleshed out like FR. I want historical heroes fleshed out. When my fighter was a child, who did he look up to? Or did he say "When I grow up I want to be just like me! There are no heroes in our history so I am the best there ever was." I mean if that were the case they wouldn't even know the word hero...
i agree
actually a few of those heroes are now godsIomedae, Cayden y Nostroberg
there is also the general that helped destroy Tar-Baphon
there is also Nex, Geb and Irori
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Again... there ARE heroes in Golarion. We just haven't bothered to detail them much yet. The main ones that come to mind, of course, are the ascended gods Aroden, Iomedae, and Cayden Cailean. But a look through the timeline in the PCCS reveals a LOT of other major NPC names, such as Daralathyxl (Sixth King of the dwarves), Arazni (champion of Aroden who got turned into a lich), Merivesta Olinchi (a famous playwright who got assassinated), King Aspex the Even-Tongued of Cheliax, Karas "the Falcon" Novotnian of Darkmoon Vale, Pathfinder Durvin Gest (the first and most famous pathfinder), Choral the Conqueror, Mandravius (the hero who defeated the dragon Kazavon), White Estrid the Linnorm Queen, Pathfinder Eando Kline, and Pharoah Khemet III are but a few big names we've got bumping around in the relatively recent history. Not all of them are heroes, but very few of those names above are villains.
They just haven't been the focus of much we've done yet. We'll be talking about several of these in the Pathfinder Companion's Persona sections, though, and they'll be mentioned here and there in other books as well. Give us time. We can't do everything at once! :)
* Someone living during the dwarven Quest for Sky
Should be a journal
Day 1: Number of orcs killed: 5. Beard situation: 3 feet and growing. Still no Sky.
Day 17: Number of orcs killed 14. Pretty intense. Beard situation: 4 feet, stumbled over it twice. Need to braid it and tie it to the belt or something. Still no sky
Day 224: Number of orcs killed: 1. Booooring. Beard situation: Seems to have stopped growth at 5 feet. Bludgeoned a fellow dwarf with it. Should wash it one of these years. Still no sky
Day 325: Number of orcs killed: 10. Number of orcs killed with beard: 7. Number of orcs killed with beard's stench: 3. Suckers. Beard situation: Has become sentient, agreed to do my watch for me. Feel strangely attracted to svirfneblin guide. His animal companion will kill me if I try anything. And still no stinking sky.
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That was beautiful. And if you could continue for another 90,000 words, I'd probably read it.
Again... there ARE heroes in Golarion. We just haven't bothered to detail them much yet. The main ones that come to mind, of course, are the ascended gods Aroden, Iomedae, and Cayden Cailean. But a look through the timeline in the PCCS reveals a LOT of other major NPC names, such as Daralathyxl (Sixth King of the dwarves), Arazni (champion of Aroden who got turned into a lich), Merivesta Olinchi (a famous playwright who got assassinated), King Aspex the Even-Tongued of Cheliax, Karas "the Falcon" Novotnian of Darkmoon Vale, Pathfinder Durvin Gest (the first and most famous pathfinder), Choral the Conqueror, Mandravius (the hero who defeated the dragon Kazavon), White Estrid the Linnorm Queen, Pathfinder Eando Kline, and Pharoah Khemet III are but a few big names we've got bumping around in the relatively recent history. Not all of them are heroes, but very few of those names above are villains.
They just haven't been the focus of much we've done yet. We'll be talking about several of these in the Pathfinder Companion's Persona sections, though, and they'll be mentioned here and there in other books as well. Give us time. We can't do everything at once! :)
I see several book purchases in my future. You need to hire more writers.
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I see several book purchases in my future. You need to hire more writers.At this point... we need to hire more developers and editors, actually. We've got PLENTY of writers.
Anyone in the Seattle area looking for a job as an editor?
If you're looking for someone with no experience as an editor who can start in, say, 8 years (retiring after 21 years of Naval service), I'm your man!
Best. Post. Ever. :)
Thanks. But don't just stand there. There's plenty of journals still to write, and I can't do them all.
Arazni could get one. Some drow. A gnome. And, of course, Aroden.
Alcaydian-Indros, the paladin of Aroden who gave name to the City of Monuments.
Anyone in the Seattle area looking for a job as an editor?
With the internet and such, any reason why your editors need to be in Seattle?
Not that anyone in their right mind would agree, but I bet the orcs consider Belkzen to be a pretty darn heroic figure.
I see several book purchases in my future. You need to hire more writers.At this point... we need to hire more developers and editors, actually. We've got PLENTY of writers.
Anyone in the Seattle area looking for a job as an editor?
Any chance you'd consider a part-time telecommuter?
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We've also mentioned several heroes in the course of the adventures, mostly in histories and such. Characters like Mandravius and the like. But we certainly haven't done much with them. Again, to expand on my first point above: by avoiding doing to much with Golarion's NPC heroes, we keep the PCS on center stage longer. One of the most common complaints leveled at FR was that with so many heroes, why do the PCs ever have to do anything? Personally, I think that a game world can HAVE lots of heroic NPCs and still have plenty for the PCs to have to do... but a lot of fans get annoyed if there's too many NPCs. So we're taking it slow with Golarion's.
I heartily support this sentiment. I am personally fed up with settings rife with heroic NPCs, as they make the PCs feel like secondary personae in the course of things. Any RPG setting should leave enough room for the PCs to, to put it roughly, f~@% everything up instead of having a bunch of deus ex machina NPCs maintaining the status quo.
Because the status is not quo.
There's also General Arnisant, the hero of Taldor who led the Shining Crusade and sacrificed his own life to seal the Whispering Tyrant away in the Gallowspire.
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I see several book purchases in my future. You need to hire more writers.At this point... we need to hire more developers and editors, actually. We've got PLENTY of writers.
Anyone in the Seattle area looking for a job as an editor?
Would I REALLY have to move to Seattle? :(
(I drive a convertable, like the top down, sun tans, stuff like that...)
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One of my favorite Golarion heroes so far (who admittedly hasn't been fleshed out much) is one of the ancient heroes of the continent of Casmaron, Namzaruum "the Sword" (PFCS, p. 153). He seems to have a kind of Gilgamesh vibe to him that would fit really well with the Hercules, Achilles archtypes mentioned above.
I just read his entry... right column, near the top.
FREAKIN AWESOME!
This dude has GOT to be fleshed out... Yeah this is the sort of Hero I am looking for.
If I remember right, fan stories are not allowed. Is that right?
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Anyone in the Seattle area looking for a job as an editor?With the internet and such, any reason why your editors need to be in Seattle?
We need our editors in house at Paizo in Bellevue, Wa, because there's more to the job than catching spelling errors. An editor has to learn the Paizo styles, attend meetings, help come up with ideas, and do a LOT of other things that just aren't easily possible over the internet. Also, we have more resources for the job at the office than most folk have at home. And several other reasons I'm sure I'm forgetting.
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the novelette beginning in pathfinder 19 I'm guessingI hope that the Pathfinder Journals aren't going to be phased out.
Nope; they aren't. The "novelette" that begins in Pathfinder 19 and is written by Elaine Cunningham is the Pathfinder Journal. It's switching to a new character with #19, though.
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Nope; they aren't. The "novelette" that begins in Pathfinder 19 and is written by Elaine Cunningham is the Pathfinder Journal. It's switching to a new character with #19, though.the novelette beginning in pathfinder 19 I'm guessingI hope that the Pathfinder Journals aren't going to be phased out.
Amen to bringing Elaine onboard James. I've been waiting for the release of 19 ever since it was announced. Mark my words: Golarion's popularity will explode as soon as she gets to write about it. If I was one of you guys, I'd really push for her to write the first Golarion novel. You'd have a NY Times bestseller on your hands...
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We need our editors in house at Paizo in Bellevue, Wa, because there's more to the job than catching spelling errors. An editor has to learn the Paizo styles, attend meetings, help come up with ideas, and do a LOT of other things that just aren't easily possible over the internet. Also, we have more resources for the job at the office than most folk have at home. And several other reasons I'm sure I'm forgetting.Anyone in the Seattle area looking for a job as an editor?With the internet and such, any reason why your editors need to be in Seattle?
We've been thinking of moving to the Seattle area!
My wife and I were just talking about what we want to do with our lives, and I said I wanted to become active in writing for RPGs. She asked wht would facilitate that and I said just living in the Seattle area, meeting these amazing people at Paizo, and annoying them in person to learn from them (even if I had to work in the warehouse) would be awesome. She pondered and decided Seattle would be nice. But can't move yet. Need some time to get things in order here first.
Want to write something for the open call... but honestly right now with no work and stuff my head isn't focused. Though I may submit something anyway, just to see if I at least have a semi-decent almost acceptable idea. Got to start somewhere after all.