Hooray for Unlimited Orisons


Classes: Cleric, Druid, and Paladin


I didn't see a thread on it, but it bears mentioning. At-will orisons are good. I never bothered with orison/cantrips except to load up on detect magics before. But now, my cleric I'm running with Beta through CoCT is using them a lot. About to go into the crime lord's hideout? Everyone bow your head for the blessing of the Dawnflower. <Guidance for everyone>.

Some of the orisons don't scale well (Virtue? Please.) But most are lovely. There should be more to choose from!

Sovereign Court

As a long time player of Clerics in D&D (through-out since Basic; from 1st level to ~18 multiple times), I have to agree with the sentiment of Hooray for Unlimited Orisons.

I don't think most of them should "scale", otherwise you're opening a huge can of worms in terms of balance and possibly bookeeping in the long term for very little benefit.

Now as to more to choose from... that I'm on the fence about. Is there something in particular you had in mind that seems like a hole in need of a patch?


Just more spell diversity. There's a pretty short list of orisons so people end up carrying the same ones. There's bleed for evil vs stabilize for good but that's about it. Same reason you'd want more spells of any level.

There's not an orison that seems on target for a lot of the major cleric/domain concept areas. Like some kind of "nature/animal/storm/whatnot" oriented orison, some kind of glamer... I look at some of the cantrips and think "is that really more "magey", why not a cleric...?"

More orisons can wait till an expansion book, but I'd love some then. Unlike Spell Compendium; in 3.5e rightly no one gave a crap about orisons/cantrips so no one bothered with more in splatbooks.

Liberty's Edge

i agree

it gives flexibility
it still forces you to chose which orisons... but the DM almost chocked when ina cmpaign our wizard and my bard went usign simple spells to clear their way to a tower instead of hurting with the local flora

Liberty's Edge

Yes, I agree...It would be nice to have an Orison (and Cantrip for that matter) for each 'school/domain type' for role playing purposes...Im sure with just a little imagination we could think of things that would work..

Liberty's Edge

Dread wrote:
Yes, I agree...It would be nice to have an Orison (and Cantrip for that matter) for each 'school/domain type' for role playing purposes...Im sure with just a little imagination we could think of things that would work..

read the thread about 1001 uses for cantrips

believe me there are lots of good and funny ideas

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