I'm not sure if I've interpreted this correctly, but by my reading of the rogue talent "stand up" (p 40), suggests that there is no limit to the number of times it can be used. It does then make them somewhat immune to trip, because even if the person who's tripping them does so with their attacks of opportunity as the rogue stands up, it doesn't matter because the rogue can just stand up again, anyway.
I can't even say whether that's a problem or not, but it does seem odd to get that sort of power at level 2.
On another thread, someone pointed out that you can't keep tripping someone with AoO's. AoO happen before the action they're interrupting, so tripping someone who's already tripped just makes them double tripped.
I know that's kind of a trip, so consider Mr. White tripping Mr. Pink
Step 1: White trips Pink
Step 2: Pink stands up
Step 3: White gets an AoO, -before- Pink stands up
Step 4: White hits, does damage, and trips Pink again
Step 5: Pink finishes his action and stands up
Step 6: While standing, Pink gets a standard action (or a full action if they're a rogue with Stand Up)
It wasn't the way I thought of it before that thread, but it does makes sense to me.
So, the boost to the rogue isn't as great. Rogues don't lose actions, but still get attacked, and anyone attacking them while they are tripped still gets a +4.
(edited slightly after I looked up what the power actually did.)
Aren't free actions, like Swift or Immediate actions, typically AoO-proof. They don't provoke them?
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Aren't free actions, like Swift or Immediate actions, typically AoO-proof. They don't provoke them?
Not necessarily, that's why they have a special table in the AoO section detailing the common free actions (it just happens that they all do not provoke an AoO). The Stand Up ability specifically says it still provokes an AoO.
I'd personally change stand-up so it doesn't provoke AoOs any more, but that's just me.
I'd personally change stand-up so it doesn't provoke AoOs any more, but that's just me.
Actually, Monte Cook came to the same conclusion in his Book of Experimental Might (p. 35).
I'd personally change stand-up so it doesn't provoke AoOs any more, but that's just me.Actually, Monte Cook came to the same conclusion in his Book of Experimental Might (p. 35).
He gets all his good ideas from me.
Either that or the other way around, but cause and effect mean nothing to me.