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With Paizo bowing out of the 4E module "race", who will take the lead? Right now the biggest contenders are Goodman Games and Necromancer Games.
My bet? Goodman. 4E, now more than ever, harkens back to the "hack-n-slash" so many of us fell in love with when we were first introduced to Dungeons & Dragons. While both companies promise such combat goodness (i.e., Necromancer's tagline "Third Edition Rules! First Edition Feel!") Goodman's modules, just from their art alone, conveys that feeling more effectively.
I've always felt that Goodman was a stronger name then Necro. My local comic book shop only routinely orders WotC and Goodman products (and Dungeon/Dragon mags, back when they existed in print form). All the rest of his RPG stock is stuff left over from the 3.0 craze and oWoD stuff. I never even heard of Necromancer Games until I started writing.
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Joela - Can you help me understand why lately and very often you've been creating thread after thread that either infers support for wotc, mentions how 3pps will make money if they support 4e, provide 4e news that we could otherwise get from wotc ourselves, or generally imply PAIZO is doing something wrong by not supporting 4e (such as advertising for other 3pps as in this post entitle "3pp module leader"?
I am all for discussion. But could you please identify whether you see this trend, or are trying to imply lack of PAIZO support? ...just curious. (I'd rather clarify with you, rather than jump to any conclusions...)
[Threadjack] what kind of old WoD stuff? I'm looking for hunter and revised werewolf *books. And wraith. [/threadjack]
VtM 3rd ed mostly. little bit of Mage. I'll check to see what else is there next time I'm there.
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Joela - Can you help me understand why lately and very often you've been creating thread after thread that either infers support for wotc, mentions how 3pps will make money if they support 4e, provide 4e news that we could otherwise get from wotc ourselves, or generally imply PAIZO is doing something wrong by not supporting 4e (such as advertising for other 3pps as in this post entitle "3pp module leader"?
I am all for discussion. But could you please identify whether you see this trend, or are trying to imply lack of PAIZO support? ...just curious. (I'd rather clarify with you, rather than jump to any conclusions...)
Sounds to me like 1) he's excited about 4E and wants 3PP products and 2) he's suffering from seperation anxiety between Paizo and the current edition of D&D.
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Joela - Can you help me understand why lately and very often you've been creating thread after thread that either infers support for wotc, mentions how 3pps will make money if they support 4e, provide 4e news that we could otherwise get from wotc ourselves, or generally imply PAIZO is doing something wrong by not supporting 4e (such as advertising for other 3pps as in this post entitle "3pp module leader"?
I am all for discussion. But could you please identify whether you see this trend, or are trying to imply lack of PAIZO support? ...just curious. (I'd rather clarify with you, rather than jump to any conclusions...)
Pax,
From the tone of your post, I infer you see these four things as bad. Out of curiousity, why is that? They seem like logical positions for most fans of 4E to hold (and being the 4E section of the boards, I'd like to think most of the people wasting time here are, indeed, fans)
Don't reply if you don't want to (I wouldn't want to jack Joe's thread too badly!)
Joe, I have no idea who'll be the 3PP module leader here. I'll likely check out Goodman's work, and Necro's too. I'm pretty excited about seeing what the new Dungeon pumps out, since I've enjoyed the new Dragon quite a bit. If Dungeon's quality is on par with Dragon's so far, I may not need much 3PP in general (a man can only play so many games at once ... or so my wife tells me.)
Cheers! :)
Edit: Any word on other module producers BESIDES Necro and Goodman? I know the guys doing ED now said they'll make some 4E stuff, but I'm not sure if they said what it would be ...
With Paizo bowing out of the 4E module "race", who will take the lead? Right now the biggest contenders are Goodman Games and Necromancer Games.
My bet? Goodman. 4E, now more than ever, harkens back to the "hack-n-slash" so many of us fell in love with when we were first introduced to Dungeons & Dragons. While both companies promise such combat goodness (i.e., Necromancer's tagline "Third Edition Rules! First Edition Feel!") Goodman's modules, just from their art alone, conveys that feeling more effectively.
I think there is a pretty good possibility that a completely separate company might well step into the role and take top honours. As you have noted both Necromancer and Goodman tend to make hack heavy adventures and, for that matter, so does WotC. There is a gapping hole in the market for the kind of story heavy, role playing intensive, adventures that Paizo created as their trade mark. Paizo has shown that this formula can be extremely successful, possibly more successful then traditional hack heavy adventure design.
My bet is the first company to step forward and make really thought provoking adventures of high quality will really clean up. Now I'm betting on a completely new company (or maybe a small time company that expands and grows) but thats just a guess - I actually think Necromancer, through their extensive contacts at Paizo (hey Eric I need some good freelancers, can you email me a list of some guys you would suggest?) is in the best position to capitalize on this market. Paizo would support them because they have a strong partnership with Necromancer and selling oodles of a Necromancer 4E adventure would do wonderful things for Paizo's bottom line with only a limited outlay of time and effort.
Still Necromancer is kind of set in their ways. I think they have the best hand of cards at the moment but I'm betting that another company still comes out on top just because Necromancer is very tied to the whole X edition game play 1st edition feel. My feeling is '1st edition feel' is way, way, over rated. I love my 1st edition modules but thats 50% nostalgia. It is extremely difficult to make a product in 2008 that has that feel and attract my attention.
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I am all for discussion. But could you please identify whether you see this trend, or are trying to imply lack of PAIZO support? ...just curious. (I'd rather clarify with you, rather than jump to any conclusions...)
I don't see such a trend, just honest discussion. If you'd look about the messageboards here, rpg.net, enworld.org, and others, I support BOTH games. Actually, make that three: I'm both a DM and player in several 3.x campaigns; a player in a Pathfinder RPG campaign, and am about to join my first 4E game. Any so called "implication" is your POV.
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Sounds to me like 1) he's excited about 4E and wants 3PP products and 2) he's suffering from seperation anxiety between Paizo and the current edition of D&D.
Huh. I'm a bit surprised by your response, DMcCoy1693. I've seen you around the boards and you know I've always supported both systems.
Damn. My respect for you just dropped. Excuse me....
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With Paizo bowing out of the 4E module "race", who will take the lead?That implies that we were in the 4R module race to begin with. Which we never really were; we "bowed out" LONG before the starting gun (the GSL's eventual release) sounded.
Good point. I should have written D&D mods instead or something to that effect. Thanks!
Hmm I Think it will be Necromancer Games with their Adventure Path. I myself am looking forward to it, want to see how they scructure and balance character growth.
To pax, you are reading to much into Joela's posts. Time to take the tinfoil hat off.
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Sounds to me like 1) he's excited about 4E and wants 3PP products and 2) he's suffering from seperation anxiety between Paizo and the current edition of D&D.
Huh. I'm a bit surprised by your response, DMcCoy1693. I've seen you around the boards and you know I've always supported both systems.
Damn. My respect for you just dropped. Excuse me....
I think he was actually sticking up for you, not making any kind of snide remark.
He didn't imply you didn't (or couldn't) like several different rules, just pointing out (to those who question your reasons for being here) that you have every right to be excited about 4E, and ask a question that's relevant to this particular section of the boards.But there I go, putting words in someone's mouth...
Sounds to me like 1) he's excited about 4E and wants 3PP products and 2) he's suffering from seperation anxiety between Paizo and the current edition of D&D.
Huh. I'm a bit surprised by your response, DMcCoy1693. I've seen you around the boards and you know I've always supported both systems.
Damn. My respect for you just dropped. Excuse me....
I think he was actually sticking up for you, not making any kind of snide remark.
He didn't imply you didn't (or couldn't) like several different rules, just pointing out (to those who question your reasons for being here) that you have every right to be excited about 4E, and ask a question that's relevant to this particular section of the boards.But there I go, putting words in someone's mouth...
Actually Snorter, you hit it dead on. Thank you.
Joela, what Snorter said.
*Please pause for some clarity*
Joela - Can you help me understand why lately and very often you've been creating thread after thread that either infers support for wotc, mentions how 3pps will make money if they support 4e, provide 4e news that we could otherwise get from wotc ourselves, or generally imply PAIZO is doing something wrong by not supporting 4e (such as advertising for other 3pps as in this post entitle "3pp module leader"?
I am all for discussion. But could you please identify whether you see this trend, or are trying to imply lack of PAIZO support? ...just curious. (I'd rather clarify with you, rather than jump to any conclusions...)
How bizarre that he would post and discuss 4E in the 4E forum.
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My feelings is that Goodman can better take up the 4E mantle.
Love it or hate it, the part of 4E that's touted over and over is combat (which I find interesting in itself).
Personal opinion alert (since everybody seems to get pissed off at personal opinions these days). Goodman's modules always feel like classic dungeon crawls that lend themselves more to the combat nature of the game. I've never been the biggest fan of Goodman modules for this exact reason, but I know many people who consider them well written and interesting. Necromancer modules always feel bigger and more full of life focusing less on the combat and more on the atmosphere. Check out things like VolK and Lost City of Barakus for true examples of very open-ended campaigns which rely much more on free-form gameplay. My feelings are basically that Necromancer games just don't have the combat-oriented feel that I feel 4E lends itself to.
But then again, only time will tell.
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[Threadjack] what kind of old WoD stuff? I'm looking for hunter and revised werewolf *books. And wraith. [/threadjack]
Have you checked out Noble Knight Games? They carry tons of out of print Roleplaying products.
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[Threadjack] what kind of old WoD stuff? I'm looking for hunter and revised werewolf *books. And wraith. [/threadjack]Have you checked out Noble Knight Games? They carry tons of out of print Roleplaying products.
In fact I just ordered the 2 Books I needed to complete my White Wolf collection..
Vampire - The Masquerade: Storyteller`s Screen 1st Edition
Book of the Damned
MUHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
I am thinking about ordering books that are falling apart on me.. Specifically The Werewolf books that the covers are falling off of.... those damn cuts they put into the covers made the covers weak.
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My feelings is that Goodman can better take up the 4E mantle.
I don't know. I guess I have been spoiled by Paizo's quality work. I checked out GG stuff and it and the world seem bland in comparison, but that is just my opinion. However, it does look like GGs quality might be increasing. They do advertise a tactical map in the upcoming 4e offerings.
I might like Punjar, but again, after reading it, a lot of the concepts sounded overdone to me. I definitely will give them a try.
I do like the zero-lvl thing from Goodman, but I don't know any players who would seriously self-gimp like that from the get go.
Hmm I Think it will be Necromancer Games with their Adventure Path. I myself am looking forward to it, want to see how they scructure and balance character growth.
Has this been confirmed since the GSL came out?