Tome of Horror - Pathfinder edition

[Brix]

With regards to the recent GSL discussions and problems for third-party-publishers like Necromancer Games:

Take the Monsters from ToH I&II
Make them compatible with the new pathfinder rules.
Add some news monsters, put it in a large Tome.
Add some cool new artwork
Sell it as a Necromancer/Paizo cooperation

Easy content, smart move, powerfull allies against evil wizards.

I'd buy it.

Anyone else?

[Forgottenprince]

Brix wrote:

I'd buy it.

Anyone else?

I certainly would

[Mark Moreland]

What about Tome III? Whatever's included, I'm game. I have my fingers poised on the imaginary preorder button as I type. It'd be at least a year away, though, given that a book for beta might not be completely compatible with the final rules.

[Craig Shackleton]

Hell, throw in all the OGL monsters updated. Let Clark take care of the Pathfinder 'Monster Manual.' I think it would add strength to the brand, since TOH is already pretty widely respected.

[Nameless]

I'd want this. The amount of times the Tome of Horrors is referenced in Pathfinder would make it worth it all by itself. But from what I hear, this is truly a fantastic product, with some really cool monsters.

So, yeah. I'd buy this. Day one.

[Pax Veritas]

I own ToHI, II, and III, but if PAIZO published a refresh, say in a huge bestial-sized full color book with ribbon page markers a la Ptolus, I'd certainly buy it. I love high quality stuff. Besides, the GSL has so bitterly, nauseatingly, angered me that I just can't wait to give my hobby dollars to PAIZO.

[Wicht]

Rambling Scribe wrote:

Hell, throw in all the OGL monsters updated.

That was my first thought too.

[Watcher]

Sold!

[JoelF847]

Count me in also. Even better, if Necromancer puts out the ToH as a cooperative work with Paizo, and it effectively becomes the PRPG MM, then it should be able to come out sooner than if Paizo does it themselves, since they'll be busy with the main RPG book. Simultaneous release at Gen Con 2009 would be awesome!

[NSTR]

The wish may come true because on ENWorld Orcus stated that he probably would be anouncing a Pathfinder ToH.

Orcus speaks of Pathfinder ToH

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[Shem]

YES...

[MisterSlanky]

I think the proper response is "Hell Yes." Combine two of my favorite product lines from two of my favorite publishers and I'd be all over it.

[golem101]

Do want.

[Brix]

Cool!
I'm thinking of other projects as well:
Call them "Definitive Crunch Books"
These could be a collection of the best OGL/d20 stuff available, with themes like monsters, spells, feats, maybe even a book of skills, that handles various uses for skills, complete weapons (munande and fantastic, like a whole bunch of racial weapons, weapon groups, etc), magic items, races, prestige classes, etc...
Each book on a very generic level, so that you have a solid base of rules and compiled supplemental stuff available for ages of roleplaying fun, and with every setting.
A kind of PRPG compatible library.

Why should that happen.
* While PRPG aims at being compatible with 3.5 there is always some tuning to do I don't have time for. But I'm willing to pay professionals to do it for me
* There is a lot of d20 crap floating around. Someone who evaluates these thing, consolidates the stuff, and collects it into single theme books, would certainly add some value to the games.
* Other 3rd party publishers could live up there best product lines and ideas, and refresh them, and follow PAIZO as there new flagship (like Necromancer games, or Goodman games) without any 4E/GSL problems.

[Lilith]

Tome of Horrors I, II, and III...updated...in full color...

Mmmm...tasty critter goodness...

A Pathfinder Tome of Horrors, plus a Pathfinder Bestiary, combined with the Advanced Bestiary would give me a veritable smorgasbord of monstrous goodness.

[firbolg]

I was going to go hunting for dead tree copies of Vols. 2 & 3, but if Pathfinder was to use these as a MM, I'd be putting my money their way instead.
Gotta love how the minds of people on these boards work :)

[Mr Baron]

NECRO FULL COLOR TOH PATHFINDER VERSION!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

WOOT!!!!!!!!!!!!!

THAT TOTALLY ROCKS!!!!!!!!!!

:)

[Mr Baron]

and yes I am shouting and my boss is telling me to be quiet!

[Watcher]

Clark Peterson speaks at length...

Here

[Nameless]

Watcher wrote:

Clark Peterson speaks at length...

Here

Might I beg for you to copy-paste onto this forum? I can't access it...

[Lazaro]

Nameless wrote:

Watcher wrote:

Clark Peterson speaks at length...

Here

Might I beg for you to copy-paste onto this forum? I can't access it...

Here ya go:

Spoiler:

OK, everyone settle down.

There seems to be a lot of speculation that I am "shaken" by the GSL and that maybe Necro will be going Pathfinder.

I am not shaken by the GSL. It is pretty much what I expected. It has a couple twists (such as the convert and cant go back provision). It has a few things I want clarified (does the "cant go back to OGL" also apply to new 4E products that werent conversions? why are the specific demons and devils in the SRD? what exactly does "redefine terms" mean?).

Most likely, because of the terms of the license, we wont be able to do a "Tome of Horrors" for 4E because that would mean having to stop selling pdfs of the Tome 3E, which I dont want to do. That was what led me to ask the "product by product" question in the first place. I was ok with what I thought the "product line" answer I got meant, but now seeing the GSL it is a bit more restrictive on that than I thought. Erik and I had already discussed doing a Tome of Horrors for pathfinder in print since we never did a print version of the Tome Revised and Pathfinder seemed like a great chance to do that. So that plan was in the works. This isnt a change to Pathfinder, it is saying that we are likely only doing Tome for Pathfinder and NOT for both Pathfinder and 4E.

There are also some singinficant unaswered questions regarding Tegel Manor. I just got off the phone with Bob Jr. Wizards is going to have to give us some very clear answers to some questions before Tegel can be a 4E product. It may well not be a 4E product. Now, that doesnt mean it will be a 3E product either. Its hard to say. That one is back up in the air, and a lot of the decision on this will be up to Bob not me. I certainly am not going to tie up JG content with a license if it means something bad for Bob.

That said, there will definately be some significant 4E products from Necro.

We anticipate the Advanced Player's Guide (with some slight modification) will be a 4E go.

We anticipate the Iron Tower Adventure Path will be a 4E go.

We anticipate several of our pending adventures will be a 4E go.

One or two of our adventures that are in the hopper will likely need some questions answered because of their use of content from prior 3E products.

So yes Necro will be doing 4E for sure. No doubt. We will also do at least one and maybe a few 3.5/Pathfinder products.

Everyone please let the dust settle on this for a few days.

Clark

[Nameless]

Lazaro wrote:

Here ya go:

Thanks!

That's a very good answer by Clark, I think he covered all the bases. Waiting a while before making a bunch of decisions does seem like a good plan.

I'm pretty excited to hear about Tome of Horrors coming to Pathfinder, though!

[firbolg]

That's the best news I could have hoped for since the first murmuring about the GSL.