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After thinking about it, I've decided that I heareby retract any and all requests I've made for psionics to be included in the Pathfinder system. Psionics has never been a good fit for a standard D+D campaign. Gygax himself called the original system "The worst mistake I ever made."
I think this quote is a poor choice. The original psionics system was an abomination, was he regretting adding psionics or regretting that it was such a horrible out of balance implementation? The Expanded Psionics Handbook is a great resource and well balanced with the rest of the game.
-- Dennis
I concur; the original psionics system was an abomination. But if you decide NOT to include psionics in the game, expect me to cobble in my own rules. Wolf Brothers, the Wardens of Shannara (may be mis-spelled), the lovers who can sense each other across continents? Psionics, all of them. I feel where the system breaks is by treating them differently than other sources of FX.
But the inside of my head now resembles one of those lotto-ball thingies. I'm going to write down my thoughts rather than thought-spooge all over here.
I will support Pathfinder RPG only if they add psionics. Without it, well its just ends up being only tolkien crap.
I wouldn't be opposed to Paizo just asking Dreamscarred Press to take a crack at Pathfinder Psionics updates, honestly. Untapped Potential was full of awesome, and the guys seem to really know what they're doing. I've seen a couple of posts from some of them on these boards offering to provide support or input, so I know they're interested in it as well.
But I *must* have psionics for my game. It's a key component of the magic triad of my world (arcane, divine, dream magics), and I'd hate to see fall by the way-side due to lack of updates.
Given that I'm a big psionics fan, I wholeheartedly disagree. Even if Paizo recants its decision to work on a later psionics project, I'll keep my XPH close at hand.
Exactly; I don't think the XPH or the Psionic SRD are going to spontaneously burst into flame any time in the near future.
Given that I'm a big psionics fan, I wholeheartedly disagree. Even if Paizo recants its decision to work on a later psionics project, I'll keep my XPH close at hand.Exactly; I don't think the XPH or the Psionic SRD are going to spontaneously burst into flame any time in the near future.
Unless the Pyrokineticist lights them on fire just to watch them burn... (I love that prerequisite)
Even before rumors abounded, I was modifying the AP's to suit my psionic cravings. I just figured it was all a matter of time anyway since psionics was in the SRD, the DMG, and MM. Now with the WotC putting 3.5 to pasture, it would have been cruel for psionics to have been passed over amidst the other tinkering for Pathfinder. To be dealt with last, I can understand, but not at all would be woeful for me.
Since psionic inclusion is no longer a question, I have faith that the outcome will satisfy me.
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I will support Pathfinder RPG only if they add psionics. Without it, well its just ends up being only tolkien crap.
The XPH is part of the SRD, and as such available for Paizo to work with in the future. I am pretty sure that Psionics will be part of the Pathfinder world, but there are just higher priorities right now. Like getting out the core PFRPG book next summer not to mention the launch of Pathfinder Companion this summer as well as the campaign setting Hardcover as well as several other books in the chronicles line. I've read online that market research implies almost unilaterally that people who use psionics in their games are a small minority of all gamers though the largest of any of the "subsystem" groups (for things like Epic play or whatever). It would not suprise me in the least if Psionics doesn't find its way into PFRPG down the road, but they have to put together a strong core system first, and need to dedicate their energy to making sure the core line gets off to a strong launch. Running an open playtest on top of developing all the rules and the setting already has them with their plates over flowing with stuff to do.
All of that said, there is nothing at all stopping you from including Psionics in your own PFRPG games and I think there was even a thread where JJ or maybe even Jason or Mike suggested some regions that would fit well with Psionics type flavor for those who wanted to integrate Psionics into the setting from the get go. It is well known that Psionics will not be in the core book, but that isn't any different from Psionics in any edition of the game. It is always an optional supplemental rule done after the primary stuff is done. I don't think this will be any different for PFRPG. Certainly I wouldn't make a decision about the PFRPG core rules based purely on plans for a psionics book. The earliest we would likely see something like that based on what I understand from the Paizo folks would be winter 2009, but it wouldn't come til after a core monster book in any event.
One final thought... The stuff that is in the core rules is not just "Tolkien crap". They are foundational elements of virtually every fantasy role playing game. There are games out there that are strictly steam punk type games or tech games or whatever. However, if you have played D&D then you had to have been drawn to the game for something other than Psionics. That would imply you must not think everything in the game other than psionics is just "Tolkien crap". Just saying...
Now... what would you build with a tonload of surpluss EPH books?
An enormous bonfire, apparently.
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After watching a 3.5 Shaper completely outclass the party's 3.5 wizard, I think that Psionics will need to see some serious revision in PFRPG before I will allow it back into my game.
Here is one vote to keep psionics out of PFRPG until it can be redone with some semblance of balance with the new caster classes.