I know it would take quite a level of coordination between the two companies (Green Ronin and Paizo) - but the sweetest thing I can think of is having the island city of Freeport as an official part of Golarion!
Freeport is the other badass setting of D&D 3e/3.5e, and it's tightly scoped enough that inserting it would be easy. And in terms of combatting the semi-retarded 4e/WotC monolith, it's not just rulesets like Pathfinder, but settings that should join forces!
Who's with me?
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At some point, this was the plan, in fact I saw Freeport on an early version of the Golarion map. However, there are some irreconcilable differences between the settings, such as the nature and rarity of gunpowder and the manner in which the mythos gods connect to the settings that made Paizo decide that Freeport doesn't really fit their vision.
Gunpowder I can kinda see, although it could just be "invented there" and being slow to spread. Guns aren't that useful in Freeport really and are mostly for color.
Mythos wise I say "bah" - they both adapt the Mythos freely and Freeport's stayed mostly with Yig and the serpent people while Pathfinder's stayed around other bits.
My general theme: make it work, don't find excuses to make it not work!
*cough*Riddleport*cough*
In terms of gun powder, unless I"m misremembering, in the anniversary trilogy, it's in an appendix and has a single founder and is an optional rule. (among optional rules.)
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Actually, I rather like the idea of Freeport being a legendary "city in the mists" pirate legend that has appeared at lots of different points in the map at opportune moments.
I like this one a lot. When you take this and combine it with the Lovecraftian Dreamlands idea, Freeport gets its coolness factor turned up to 11.
At some point, this was the plan, in fact I saw Freeport on an early version of the Golarion map.
Whereabouts on the map?
*cough*Riddleport*cough*
Yeah, but not being an island it actually changes a huge amount of the Freeport fluff.
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*cough*Riddleport*cough*Yeah, but not being an island it actually changes a huge amount of the Freeport fluff.
Also... Riddleport has a lot of different things going on there that aren't supported by Freeport (the Cyphergate, for one), and a lot of things that aren't there that ARE part of Freeport.
My suggestion? Freeport should go on the small island at the southwest end of the island just west of the Eye of Abendego.
Also... Riddleport has a lot of different things going on there that aren't supported by Freeport (the Cyphergate, for one), and a lot of things that aren't there that ARE part of Freeport.My suggestion? Freeport should go on the small island at the southwest end of the island just west of the Eye of Abendego.
Cool! I say we say it's official :-)
A slight aside, we definitely need one location for campaign world suggestions. In addition to all of the obvious reasons, it would, for example, help those players who use Freeport, but are not sure about Golarion.
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A slight aside, we definitely need one location for campaign world suggestions. In addition to all of the obvious reasons, it would, for example, help those players who use Freeport, but are not sure about Golarion.
But James did make his suggestion..
My suggestion? Freeport should go on the small island at the southwest end of the island just west of the Eye of Abendego.
It's a good location. And there are enough small islands of that size all over the place that it could still jump around the map. :)
A slight aside, we definitely need one location for campaign world suggestions. In addition to all of the obvious reasons, it would, for example, help those players who use Freeport, but are not sure about Golarion.But James did make his suggestion..
My suggestion? Freeport should go on the small island at the southwest end of the island just west of the Eye of Abendego.It's a good location. And there are enough small islands of that size all over the place that it could still jump around the map. :)
*chuckles* I can see the reason for the confusion. By "location" I was referring to a webspace that has these suggestions available.
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Hi James:
Where in Golarion would you place Elsir Vale and the Red Hand of Doom story? That's one of the finest adventures from WoTC, imho.
Thanks!
David
Got mine today...let me check the map of Garund and Avistan..
need a space "250 miles east to west, 70 miles north to south"
Maybe Western Galt, Northern Taldor along the Kyonin border...or northeastern Taldor?
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Hmm... that's a good question... where to put Elsir Vale...
It'd have to be somewhere that is hobgoblin friendly, and to be honest, I don't know where off the top of my head there's a lot of hobgoblins. I know where the goblins and bugbears and orcs and gnolls and intellect devourers and drow and ogres and giants are... not the hobgoblins, though.
ANYway... Western Galt or Northeastern Taldor should work fine.
That said... don't be afraid to change the map of the vale around to fit Golarion. I suppose you could do the vice-versa, and change Golarion to fit Elsir Vale... but I like Golarion better these days than the Vale, so that's my preference. :)
What about in the Eye itself? Or are there other plans for that?
That would make for one of the ultimate "island in the mists" ideas. A place only pirates can get to in the eye of a perpetual hurricane. And since Freeport is practically a planar city anyway.. Makes sense to me.
/First post on these boards! I just got hooked on Pathfinder in the last week! :)
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What about in the Eye itself? Or are there other plans for that?
That would make for one of the ultimate "island in the mists" ideas. A place only pirates can get to in the eye of a perpetual hurricane. And since Freeport is practically a planar city anyway.. Makes sense to me.
/First post on these boards! I just got hooked on Pathfinder in the last week! :)
Freeport wouldn't work well inside the Eye, I don't think. That place is too crazy. Any adventures set in the Eye need to be ABOUT the eye, in other words. And also... that's such an iconic location that I'm pretty sure that SOMEday we'll do something official with it, at which point if you've already put Freeport there, you'll have to decide which version is canon in your world.
AND: Welcome to the boards! :)
Thanks JJ!
And that does make more sense. I wasn't thinking about it being important as I was going for a cool geek moment. And adventure about the Eye does sound a lot more interesting than dropping Freeport inside it.
It fits in well enough in the surrounding "pirate" areas anyway, but that's not to say those are the only pirate waters, those are just the ones I've read about. A "free" pirate area off the western coast of Cheliax would be interesting too, out to sea a bit. Especially past the Hellmouth region, to keep the ideas of those Lovecraft inspired parts of Freeport flowing.
Anyway, it's a good thought original poster! I'm sure lots of people will be doing something like this soon enough.
What I want is a "Pathfinder Freeport Companion" sourcebook to come out next year when the main RPG book comes out. (Of course, I'd like it sooner but that's not really feasible.)
That would be sweet!
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What I want is a "Pathfinder Freeport Companion" sourcebook to come out next year when the main RPG book comes out. (Of course, I'd like it sooner but that's not really feasible.)
That would be sweet!
That book already exists. Green Ronin published it already.
What I'm saying is that Freeport fits pretty much PERFECTLY into Pathfinder as-is. The only two parts that might be a little off are the commonality of firearms (but if you're setting an adventure in Freeport, that's no big deal; just say that firearms are more common in your game than they are in the standard Golarion), and we'll be introducing our own version of serpentfolk (who are inspired by the same sources as the ones in Freeport, but are going to be a little tougher; more on par with a CR 4 or so monster), so you'll need to have any serpentfolk your party encounters be variants or something (or just ignore the "coming soon" CR 4 versions).
Pretty much everything else fits in just fine.
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and we'll be introducing our own version of serpentfolk (who are inspired by the same sources as the ones in Freeport, but are going to be a little tougher; more on par with a CR 4 or so monster)
When when when? You're starting to sound like that Joshua J. Frost fellow. His teasing taint is spreading like a bad case of gangrene throughout the gut of Paizo. He must be stopped.
Yeah, so when can we expect to see these mighty beasties?
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and we'll be introducing our own version of serpentfolk (who are inspired by the same sources as the ones in Freeport, but are going to be a little tougher; more on par with a CR 4 or so monster)When when when? You're starting to sound like that Joshua J. Frost fellow. His teasing taint is spreading like a bad case of gangrene throughout the gut of Paizo. He must be stopped.
Yeah, so when can we expect to see these mighty beasties?
Can you get gangrene in the gut? Would yogurt help with that?
EDIT: And I second the question. When??
Yes! When? And where?
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and we'll be introducing our own version of serpentfolk (who are inspired by the same sources as the ones in Freeport, but are going to be a little tougher; more on par with a CR 4 or so monster)When when when? You're starting to sound like that Joshua J. Frost fellow. His teasing taint is spreading like a bad case of gangrene throughout the gut of Paizo. He must be stopped.
Yeah, so when can we expect to see these mighty beasties?
Golarion's serpentfolk were driven into the deep underground long ago. That's where they're at.
If there were any Adventure Paths or Chronicles products that had anything to do with the Darklands, one might reasonably expect to see more about the serpentfolk therein...
Very nice... and definitely in time for the Freeport campaign I intend to follow my current Age of Worms campaign up with. I was playing with the idea of making Freeport a space station in a Science Fantasy setting with space pirates and so on, but it fits Golarion too good to give it up. Maybe even combined with Razor Coast then... we'll see. :)
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Very nice... and definitely in time for the Freeport campaign I intend to follow my current Age of Worms campaign up with. I was playing with the idea of making Freeport a space station in a Science Fantasy setting with space pirates and so on, but it fits Golarion too good to give it up. Maybe even combined with Razor Coast then... we'll see. :)
I know.. it's rough trying to fit Freeport AND the Razor Coast into Golarion. :)
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Seeing as this is the thread for these things.
My players will soon be hitting RotKK, after that i'll run CoT and then I want to start Red Hand of Doom.
I've already worked in an elven sage/mentor who can nudge them out of Darkmoon Vale but I don't want to send them magic portal hopping just yet.
So is there anywhere nearby that I could crowbar in Elsir Vale? Should I send them North, East, South or West off the Darkmoon Vale map?
I think James Jacobs suggested placing the Elsir Vale in northern Taldor or eastern Galt.
That book already exists. Green Ronin published it already.
sigh
Yes, I know you're referring to the d20 Freeport Companion but that book is sold out and they don't plan to reprint it as it stands now. (I asked.)
Now, perhaps they'll reprint it without the d20 logo, but thay haven't said one way or the other. I was just making a suggestion that if they do reprint it in a different form, then it might be a good idea to connect the reprinted version with Pathfinder.
Anyway, just an idea.
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I think James Jacobs suggested placing the Elsir Vale in northern Taldor or eastern Galt.
Yep, over 700 miles away.
I was just hoping for a suggestion of somewhere a bit nearer, the more I look at the gazetteer the less likely that seems (Kyonin too elven, Druma too odd, Isger too settled). Currently I'm tempted by the eastern patch of Molthune, cut off from the rest by the Nosam River it could be a bit more settled and independent; and the Molthune army might be tied up in battling Nirmathas, leaving Elsir Vale exposed to the ravages of Tiamat. The Elf occupied marshland could be an eroded coastline swallowed by the sea, rather than a lake that burst its bounds.... still 300 miles away, but for that I can string together a few encounters to get them there, rather than writing a new adventure.
That book already exists. Green Ronin published it already.sigh
Yes, I know you're referring to the d20 Freeport Companion but that book is sold out and they don't plan to reprint it as it stands now. (I asked.)
Now, perhaps they'll reprint it without the d20 logo, but thay haven't said one way or the other. I was just making a suggestion that if they do reprint it in a different form, then it might be a good idea to connect the reprinted version with Pathfinder.
Anyway, just an idea.
Meanwhile, Green Ronin republished it via lulu under the new 3rd era heading. Probably re-edited as well to get rid of anything falling under the d20 licence. (luckily, I got a dead tree copy of the original book just a while ago at a discount price...)
Stefan
My suggestion? Freeport should go on the small island at the southwest end of the island just west of the Eye of Abendego.
So is that Mediogalti Island or the Hermitage?