[Ask the Designers] Skill ranks requirements, p. 36 - Easier access to prestige classes?


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Liberty's Edge

Under 3.5, Prestige class A requires 8 ranks in Ride.

A fighter can enter the prestige class at level 5 (8 ranks).
A wizard can enter the prestige class at level 13 (8 ranks).

Under Alpha 2, the 3.5 Prestige class A requires 8 ranks in Ride.

A fighter can still enter the prestige class at level 5 (5 ranks +3 bonus).
According to the designer notes on page 36, a wizard can enter the prestige class at level 10. (10 ranks)

The formula for cross-class skills as prerequisites is

(3.5 prestige class required skill ranks-3) x 2
(8-3) x 2 = 10

Question: Is the lowering of access requirements a desired consequence?

If it is not, i.e. if prestige classes should be attainable at the same character level as in 3.5, the formula for the minimal number of ranks in a cross-class skill should be:

Alpha 2 minimal ranks for a character with a class skill + 3.5 prestige class required skill ranks
i.e. 5 + 8 = 13

Liberty's Edge

Locworks wrote:

Under Alpha 2, the 3.5 Prestige class A requires 8 ranks in Ride.

A fighter can still enter the prestige class at level 5 (5 ranks +3 bonus).

You are working under a false premise. The +3 bonus which you are refering to is an unnamed bonus to your roll with that skill, not to the ranks of that skill. Your max ranks in a skill per Alpha2 is your Hit Dice. Therefore under Alpha2, with out the Designer Notes: Prestige Skills rule, said fighter would have to be level 8 (Max Ranks = HD).

Graywulfe


@GW: Wrong. Read the Box about Prestige Skills again.
The OP is right about that.

Right now I think it's just a short time solution.

Let's take a look at your example.

Under 3.5 a cross-class skills max. ranks were: (HD+3)/2 = Ranks needed
So you had to be: "2x(Ranks needed)-3" = HD

So if you need 8 ranks in a cross class skill you need:

HD = (2x8)-3 = 13

If you take a look at "my" formula and the one from the PF, they only differ in the parenthesis. But mine would be mathematically correct.

Ok, I just realized that I am drifting away.
So to answer your threads title question: I don't know if it's intended or just a "D" in mathematics. ;)

Liberty's Edge

DracoDruid wrote:


So if you need 8 ranks in a cross class skill you need:

HD = (2x8)-3 = 13

If you take a look at "my" formula and the one from the PF, they only differ in the parenthesis. But mine would be mathematically correct.

Spot on, DracoDruid.

It looks like the -3 was dropped in the box. If the level requierments are the same as in 3.5, we should have:

Whenever a prestige class calls for a number of skill ranks, you can qualify for the prestige class if you meet that number of ranks –3 if you also have the skill as a class skill. If you do not have the skill as a class skill, you must possess double that number of ranks -3.

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