Just a point of clarification here.
Both of these feats require proficiency with Medium Armor. The first requires a Caster Level of 3 and the second a caster level of 7.
So, it seems that the feats were intended for wizards and sorcerers (only classes I can think of with the arcane spell failure chance).
But... neither of those classes have armor proficiency to start. So, to take Arcane Armor Training as a Sorcerer or a Wizard, you need to take Armor Prof (light), and Armor Prof. (Medium). As a Human, you could take both of those feats and then do the Arcane Armor Training at 3rd level... but that seems like a steep requirement to start.
Was it supposed to have been a requirement for light armor prof.? Or perhaps light armor for the Armor Training, and then medium for Armor mastery?
I'm just not sure if I, as a caster, would spend my first level feats on armor that I would suffer a penalty for... for the next 2 levels.
Perhaps, it does seem to be quite steep if you straight class your wizard/sorcer levels.
These feats do, though, really come into play for the gish builds (Fighter/Wiz, Cleric/Sorc, etc)
At least thats my take on it.
Perhaps, it does seem to be quite steep if you straight class your wizard/sorcer levels.
These feats do, though, really come into play for the gish builds (Fighter/Wiz, Cleric/Sorc, etc)
At least thats my take on it.
I wasn't sure if it was intended solely for gish builds or if it was intended for use with straight casters (particularly as some of the sorcerer's abilities seem to encourage melee attaks).
I don't typically play gish builds, so I can't really comment on how the caster level requirements would work out in play.
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This is a good point. I think the lesser powers prereq will be changed to Light Armor Proficiency. This was a thought I was having and thought I had made, but apparently it was all a fever dream.
That said, these feats are designed to be used by characters who are at least skilled with armor.
Jason Bulmahn
Lead Designer
Paizo Publishing
This is a good point. I think the lesser powers prereq will be changed to Light Armor Proficiency. This was a thought I was having and thought I had made, but apparently it was all a fever dream.
That said, these feats are designed to be used by characters who are at least skilled with armor.
Jason Bulmahn
Lead Designer
Paizo Publishing
Oh, that's great news! I was rolling up a Wizard halfling-rogue and the idea of having to buy a feat on top of the didn't sit well. The lesser requiring Armor (light) makes much more sense.
Oh good...there's already a thread for this. I was just going over A2 rules, read over these feats again and said "Huh?" Armor Proficiency (Light) as a prerequisite for Arcane Armor Training makes more sense. Seems like master is definitely meant as a multi-class fighter/mage build though.