Alpha 2 wrote: Turn Outsider
Choose one alignment subtype, such as chaos, evil, good,
or law. You can channel your divine energy to harm
outsiders of that type.
Prerequisites: Ability to channel energy.
Benefit: You can choose to have your ability to channel
energy to affect outsiders of your chosen alignment
subtype as if they were undead. You must make this
choice each time you use your ability to channel energy.
This ability does not cause outsiders to flee or fall under
your command.
Special: You can gain this feat multiple times. Its effects
do not stack. Each time you take the feat, it applies to a new
alignment subtype.
I am not sure if this is intended or now, but does anyone else notice that if you are an Evil cleric this allows you to HEAL your evil minions with your channeling..? After all, thats what your Channel does if you are evil.
Intentional..?
In fact, it works that way for everyone.
Good clerics can choose to affect their chosen types of outsiders as if they were undead, but they can also choose not to- thus, they can channel energy to heal their chosen type of outsider if they want to.
Also, I noticed you changed the name of turning- I like this very much. It feels more like a common-use ability rather than something reserved for turning undead only now.
Ahh, but my issue is that an Evil cleric can Channel negative energy and hurt the PCs while simultaniously healing their undead and Outsider allies.
Good clerics can heal everyone or harm everyone. It just seems like an added bonus for Evil Clerics.
Thomas Mack 727 wrote: Ahh, but my issue is that an Evil cleric can Channel negative energy and hurt the PCs while simultaniously healing their undead and Outsider allies.
Good clerics can heal everyone or harm everyone. It just seems like an added bonus for Evil Clerics.
But unless they are evil outsiders or undead they can't heal themselves by doing so. And, if he doesn't take Turn Outsider or Selective Channeling, he would actually hurt his fiendish friends. A good cleric could, by taking Turn Outsider, heal the PCs (and their celestial allies, he doesn't even need a feat to do so) while simultaniously hurting their undead and outsider enemies. And, while it goes in both directions, I still see positive channeling as stronger than negative one.
Another example, if you are an evil cleric with undead allies and Tomb Tainted Soul then you are healing yourself and your undead minons and hurting EVERYTHING else you come across.
Even without the Tomb tainted soul feat this is quite a strong ability, giving a 7th level cleric 4d6 damage 30ft AoE that, even with a Cha of 10, he can use 3x a day. Assuming he has two 7HD undead in front of him (the amount he can control WITHOUT casting any spells) and they manage to hold off the party for three rounds he can pour 12d6 damage into all PCs in 30ft (and its not a hard thing to get ALL pcs in this range) while healing the undead tanks the same amount. This is just one enemy, and this doesn't reduce his ability to cast spells appreciatively at all.
Nasty huh?
Then again, now that I think about it, it does lead to the reasonably cool situation of a 'Cleric off'. Your parties cleric Channels positive while the enemy counters with negative. Most turns wins.
Fun. :)
Actually, the effect is generally poorly written. One thing that I'm okay with about it is that if you Turn Outsiders, you are not going to damage/heal undead or non-Outsiders, nor vice versa.
Now here's the bad part - by the description, if you channel energy to Turn Outsiders, let's say you choose to Turn Good Outsiders and you are Good aligned yourself - you damage them. Let's say you are Evil and you choose to Turn Good Outsiders - you heal them.
This needs to be heavily clarified so that you damage antithetical alignment subtypes and heal amenable alignment subtypes.
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