Domains (Available Cleric Spells); pg 47-57

[KnightErrantJR]

I keep meaning to ask this, but I keep forgetting about this. Are the spells that are only available as domain spells, (i.e. a spell that only has a designation of, for example Sun 3) available for the cleric to prepare as part of their normal allotment of spells? This would make sense, or else you do cut some spells out of the game by default by not having bonus domain spells, but I thought I'd clarify, as I've not see this explicitly spelled out.

[lordzack]

Yeah I been thinking about this as well. I'd allow clerics to prepare spells from the domain.

Another domain related concern. How do I handle domains from classes other than cleric. More specifically the Divine Champion class from Complete Divine.

[Pneumonica]

lordzack wrote:

Yeah I been thinking about this as well. I'd allow clerics to prepare spells from the domain.

Another domain related concern. How do I handle domains from classes other than cleric. More specifically the Divine Champion class from Complete Divine.

I can't address the OP, but this I can answer - it's not OGC, and so it can't be touched on by Paizo. Unfortunately, WotC never supported open game content except for core rules and a single supplement (oh, and about four pages from one of the later Monster Manuals, and that was stuff pulled from other sources and not their own creations). Thus, the Complete guides are verboten, held behind the copyright law, and now that WotC is going to 4 their contents will likely remain unusable.

[Pneumonica]

lordzack wrote:

Yeah I been thinking about this as well. I'd allow clerics to prepare spells from the domain.

Another domain related concern. How do I handle domains from classes other than cleric. More specifically the Divine Champion class from Complete Divine.

Apologies if this is a double-post. The forum appears to have swallowed my post. To summarize...

I can't address the OP, but this I can answer. WotC never supported open gaming except in core rules and a single supplement, plus four pages out of one of the later Monster Manuals. As a consenquence, none of the Complete works are OGC, and so cannot be used by Paizo or anybody else without some careful licensing from WotC that isn't forthcoming because they're moving to 4.

[Gnome Ninja]

We aren't allowing Clerics to prepare their domain spells as normal spells. Mostly this is because, in 3.5, if a domain spell wasn't on your spell list, the only way to get it was to prepare it in your domain slot.

[KnightErrantJR]

Gnome Ninja wrote:

We aren't allowing Clerics to prepare their domain spells as normal spells. Mostly this is because, in 3.5, if a domain spell wasn't on your spell list, the only way to get it was to prepare it in your domain slot.

But, if this is true, then all domain spells that do not also appear on some other spell list now drop completely out of the game. That doesn't seem like the intent of this rule, but I could be wrong.

[Shisumo]

KnightErrantJR wrote:

Gnome Ninja wrote:

We aren't allowing Clerics to prepare their domain spells as normal spells. Mostly this is because, in 3.5, if a domain spell wasn't on your spell list, the only way to get it was to prepare it in your domain slot.

But, if this is true, then all domain spells that do not also appear on some other spell list now drop completely out of the game. That doesn't seem like the intent of this rule, but I could be wrong.

My inclination would be to allow clerics with those domains to prepare the spells as part of their regular allotment. I've never seen any sign that they were somehow balanced against being effectively 1/day, and too often they wind up getting ignored entirely.