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Pathfinder Roleplaying Game Superscriber; Pathfinder Starfinder Roleplaying Game Subscriber
My character just picked some Amazing Tools of Manufacture (alchemy) and I'm confused about its limitations.
It says it can craft any item with a cost of 2,000gp or less in only 1 hour. It also says that you must spend gold equal to 1/2 the item's price (rather than the traditional crafting cost of 1/3).
So can I make an item priced at 6,000gp in one hour, or am I limited to an item priced at 4,000gp in 1 hour? In short, is it referring to its own cost, or the traditional cost of an item?
The phrase is :
The wielder may take raw materials with a value equal to half the price of an object to be crafted, and produce a finished object in as little as 1 hour for an item with a final cost of 2,000 gp or less.
The key words are "final cost". The final modifier in this case indicates what the item would sell for if sold by a NPC merchant in a public marketplace.
You may craft an item with a marketplace cost of up to 2000gp; this will cost you up to 1000 gp in raw materials. For example, If you had craft(armor) focused tools, you could make a set of Hellknight Plate (marketplace cost 2000gp), and you would use up materials worth 1000gp. if you had craft (shipbuilding) tools you could craft a longship (marketplace cost of 10000gp) over 5 one hour sessions over 5 separate days, using 5000gp of materials, with only 1 skill check, made on the 5th day of crafting.
Pathfinder Roleplaying Game Superscriber; Pathfinder Starfinder Roleplaying Game Subscriber
The rules take great pains to separate the terms COST and PRICE (or CRAFTING COST and MARKET PRICE, respectively). Cost is how much it takes to make something. Price is how much it takes to buy something. This is all but indisputable in the RAW.
The only mention of PRICE in this particular item's description is to state that you pay half its market price in raw materials (rather than the typical 1/3 crafting calls for).
Everything else refers to COST, which again, is CRAFTING COSTS.
In short, you haven't really answered my question.
given the cost of the item, and how it talks about things in the price range of 2000, there not being many mundane items in the game, it could be safely thought of that this was meant to craft magical goods what with craft skills being able make magical items. with that in mind things with a final market price of 2000 could be made in 1 hour paying 1000 for the crafting mats.
i think the goal of this item was meant for magical item creation to be done faster and on the road. but just my thoughts on it.
I'd imagine the limit is there to keep them from being used as the Venetian Arsenal (you can, going by 3.5 prices, make a simple house in an hour though, which is cool) or for the other handful of high priced mundane items.
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Seems to be referring to the market price, in the 'supplies worth half...' so half of market price. Which, is typical of most crafting, one pays 1/2 the Market Price as the Creation Cost. I'd think that this item, these Tools, do not allow a player to shortcut or shortchange what is needed to build whatever item with. IE, if I have a Craft:Armor set, I still have to supply all the normal supply of raw materials I always would to make that Adamantine full plate, regardless of the fact that magically enhanced tools are making this incredibly fast and guiding my hands in an incredibly efficient manner (the skill bonus).
If it somehow did reduce the cost of materials below the standard, well, I'd expect to see higher level players, or NPC's, create a set of these tools to go along with their Golem-making efforts to reduce the costs of making a golem body, along with that golem manual to reduce the cost of enchanting said golem... Or adamantine full plate, or anything else made with/from incredibly expensive materials..
Although, it does swap from the word 'Price' to 'Cost' with no warning and little indication of subject. I fully agree with the confusion and would love to see a clarification.
However.... Tentatively? As it lists, in context of crafting, specifically: 'an item with a final cost of 2,000 gp or less", I'd think it'd be any item with a market value of 4k and therefore a creation cost of 2k.
I'd rule the intention of the item is a crafting boost, especially to crafting on the road. Anything with a higher value, market price, then 4k, takes more then one day to make but hey, crafting checks down to 1 hour/day? Nifty.
^Mundane items normally cost 1/3rd of their price to make. Magic items are half.
Which would go to show that the intention of the item is to help craft magic items, I'd say....
Regardless, the cost of materials never changes, whether or not the item is to be enchanted. (Mithral Chain Shirt is 1,100 gold, 100 for the chain shirt and 1000 for (light) mithral armor cost, which includes the mw. costs.) If said chain shirt is to be enchanted later, then no, that 1,000gp worth of mithral does not change in value. *shrug*
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