So, 1/2 orcs are outta the PHB, gnomes are outta the PHB, or whatever.
Does anybody want to play a dragonborn?
I thought everybody was sick of the dragon stuff.
Nope to the first question....
Nope to the second question...I like dragons as monster so I'm not sick of them....as PCs....or some kind of NPCs.....Not interested.
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Are not the Dragonborn the new 'strong' and therefore better at fighting race? If so, I suspect alot of the fighters role will be Dragonborn. Not necessarily out of desire, just out of practicality. But I also don't understand the advantages to being a Dwarf, so maybe Dwarves will fill the fighter role.
So, 1/2 orcs are outta the PHB, gnomes are outta the PHB, or whatever.
Does anybody want to play a dragonborn?
I thought everybody was sick of the dragon stuff.
No, I won't even play 4e unless Paizo converts and even then I might convert Paizo adventures to 3.5.
Yes. I'm am so sick of the dragon-mania that so much of WotC's writers and readers seem to have. I'm freakin' sick of dragon based core classes, dragon focused PrCs, dragon based magical items, spells that let you summon or turn into a dragon. I mean yeah, dragons are cool and all but not when you beat the subject to death with dozens of items, classes, spells, and feats that allow you to replicate a dragon's abilities or become one.
Do I want to play a dragonborn? Hells no. Even if one was in 3.5, the answer would still be hells no, simply because they're in the 4E PHB. Reason for that is less anti-4E then you'd expect: I don't like playing "standard" characters. I like playing races that are in the monster manual, race books, etc. I like playing classes that are from other books. The FEW times I have played a race and class from the PHB, they have always had something unique to them.
If dragonborn were in the MM, sure.
Do I want to play a dragonborn? Hells no. Even if one was in 3.5, the answer would still be hells no, simply because they're in the 4E PHB. Reason for that is less anti-4E then you'd expect: I don't like playing "standard" characters. I like playing races that are in the monster manual, race books, etc. I like playing classes that are from other books. The FEW times I have played a race and class from the PHB, they have always had something unique to them.
If dragonborn were in the MM, sure.
I think that they are in 3.5, probably in Races of the Dragon or the Draconomicon.
No, I won't even play 4e unless Paizo converts and even then I might convert Paizo adventures to 3.5.
Arctaris: Wouldn't it be a better (easier) to convert Paizo to staying at 3.5? (Joke)!
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Do I want to play a dragonborn? Hells no. Even if one was in 3.5, the answer would still be hells no, simply because they're in the 4E PHB. Reason for that is less anti-4E then you'd expect: I don't like playing "standard" characters. I like playing races that are in the monster manual, race books, etc. I like playing classes that are from other books. The FEW times I have played a race and class from the PHB, they have always had something unique to them.
If dragonborn were in the MM, sure.
Right on.....
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So, 1/2 orcs are outta the PHB, gnomes are outta the PHB, or whatever.
Does anybody want to play a dragonborn?
I thought everybody was sick of the dragon stuff.
Nope to the first question....
Nope to the second question...I like dragons as monster so I'm not sick of them....as PCs....or some kind of NPCs.....Not interested.
I'm not dissing dragons; other than Sharoth, they're allright cats.
What I mean is dragons for a while were the new Zeus. Every time you turned around in Dungeon, there's a half dragon whatsit with a bunch of kobold cronies and an evil plan. Now aller sudden like, they're the birth of the cool? Hey, Miles Davis. Are you looking for a quarter?
Wouldn't it be a better (easier) to convert Paizo to staying at 3.5? (Joke)!
I think WotC is going to do that for us. Skarka of Adamant Entertainment said over on ENWorld:
According to the call yesterday, we sign an NDA, and get a look at the license. Then we decide whether to cough up 5K, at which point we can see the rules.
[snip]
(and, to be completely honest, the idea that we can't see the rules until AFTER we've committed is a bit of a red-flag issue, as well.)
But I'm sure the Paizoian will give it a fair look-see before doing anything.
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I was poised to hate dragonborn on principle, and even with me planning to give 4e a try I didn't plan on making this race available to my players. Then I read R&C and have to admit that they sound pretty cool.
A couple of my players are pretty stoked about them. I don't allow non-standard races in my games, but now they'll have these guys in the PHB. So, some of my players are awaiting them like vultures.
Assuming I actually get to play, I'll likely end up trying a tiefling warlock and wizard, because those are two classes I like a lot.
Otherwise, gnome...something. Maybe warlord.
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I was poised to hate dragonborn on principle, and even with me planning to give 4e a try I didn't plan on making this race available to my players. Then I read R&C and have to admit that they sound pretty cool.
A couple of my players are pretty stoked about them. I don't allow non-standard races in my games, but now they'll have these guys in the PHB. So, some of my players are awaiting them like vultures.
Why you come on my thread trying to start trouble?
Naah, that's cool. I was actually wondering if anybody was into them.
Could we not just call them Draconians?
Looks like a Draconian...Smells like a Draconian...Sounds like a Draconian...But It's a Dragonborn...
Fizz
So how many bottles of lotion would you go through to give a dragonborn a back rub? With those scales, it's got to take awhile!
Draconians are campaign specific and have a very different history. Not that similar.Could we not just call them Draconians?
Looks like a Draconian...Smells like a Draconian...Sounds like a Draconian...But It's a Dragonborn...
Fizz
I know...I'm Fizzban...but still.
Fizzban the Magnificent
Avatar of Paladine of well almost everything good and dragony.
So how many bottles of lotion would you go through to give a dragonborn a back rub? With those scales, it's got to take awhile!First we'd have to know what brand so we can figure in the average absorption rate of the given lotion.
Here you go!
http://www.buybluedragon.com/
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So how many bottles of lotion would you go through to give a dragonborn a back rub? With those scales, it's got to take awhile!First we'd have to know what brand so we can figure in the average absorption rate of the given lotion.Here you go!
http://www.buybluedragon.com/
Exactly 3 4oz bottles.
Except for Blue dragonborn. It would require 4 due to their scales being even drier due to the desert. Thus the name of the lotion.
Too late, I checked your math, and acccording to mine, you were incredibly accurate. Is there something your not telling us?
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Dragons for a while were the new Zeus. Every time you turned around in Dungeon, there's a half dragon whatsit.
When I read this I immediately thought of the Thread in the "Campaign Journal" arena about the bad DM with the "every NPC is a half-Dragon" campaign. I think Kikai13 started the Thread; it was about his group's new DM and the Video Game setting he chose as his first venture into DMing.
-W. E. Ray
If they were just lizardfolk and had physiological characteristics based off of real world lizards, I would be much more inclined to like them. But from what I saw, they look like humanoid dinosaurs and I think that's lame. It's the frills and the horns. Just looks silly. And I've been pretty turned off by the {insert color}-spawn {insert noun} nonsense, or the 'link it to a dragon or make it a rare dragon offshoot to make it cool' and the other insane half-breeds that I can't imagine being contributing members of society.
I mean, who wants to reproduce with a mephit, man?! They're three foot tall winged things made of ice and fire and crap. Grossaroo.
Who says I haven't tried it? Ugh.
I don't like them and the Predator hairstyle they got going on...super corny with extra cheese...Each dragonborn is based off a dragon type so are ther red, gold, black, silver versions of the dragonborn race etc etc..? Do they lay eggs or is it a live birth?
Do they lay eggs or is it a live birth?Eggs
What came first the Dragonborn or the egg?
Do they lay eggs or is it a live birth?Eggs
They were discussing dragonborn on another thread I posted on. They were having a hard time with the creatures laying eggs and still having mammory glands as depicted in Races and Classes. Here is the answer...
Maybe somebody at WOTC likes the platypus. The following information came from Wikipedia:
When the Platypus was first discovered scientists were divided over whether the female laid eggs. This was not confirmed until 1884 when W.H. Caldwell was sent to Australia where, after extensive searching assisted by a team of 150 aborigines, he managed to discover a few eggs.
The newly hatched young are vulnerable, blind, and hairless, and are fed by the mother's milk.
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When the Platypus was first discovered scientists were divided over whether the female laid eggs. This was not confirmed until 1884 when W.H. Caldwell was sent to Australia where, after extensive searching assisted by a team of 150 aborigines, he managed to discover a few eggs.
That's pretty cool. Sometimes it seems our world has run out of mysteries that require an adventuring party like that.
What's the CR on 150 aboriginies?
Do any of them have class levels?
Ahhh....doesn't matter, my understanding is they got rid of the CR for 4th edition and rewrote the rule all together.
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What I mean is dragons for a while were the new Zeus. Every time you turned around in Dungeon, there's a half dragon whatsit with a bunch of kobold cronies and an evil plan. Now aller sudden like, they're the birth of the cool?
My house rule is that dragons don't actually do the nasty with kobolds (or wolves or hobgoblins or giants or treants or gelatinous cubes), 'cause that would be freaksome. As they get older, they learn a dragon-only ritual that allows them to impart some of their dragony goodness into a living creature. It probably isn't terribly comfortable, but it gets results, and the female dragons love it, 'cause under that whacky 'dragons breed with anything' notion, the male dragons made out like bandits.
Male Dragon - "Fine, I polymorph into a Kobold and knock up all their wimmin. Line 'em up, I don't plan on being three feet tall all day."
Female Dragon - "Wait, I have to do what? Spend the next four months with tummy cramps before laying a bunch of eggs that are gonna turn into *what?* Mate with a *what?* No. Just *no!* Give me the keys, we're turning this game setting around *right now* buster..."
Then again, in the last game I ran, Kobolds were actually born (in litters) from unfertilized dragon eggs and were all googly-eyed worshipful of their dragoness parent. Kobolds could also breed, but the 'second-generation' Kobolds didn't get the Dragonwrought feat for free, and were distinctly second-class citizens... Most female dragons had a bunch of the little blighters running around doing their bidding. Unless they weren't into that sort of thing and just ate them.
Male dragons were the ones who were more likely to use the ritual to create 'half-dragons' from their most loyal servant creatures, since they were at a distinct disadvantage of not being able to pump out litters of slavishly devoted Kobold minions.
I'm hardly a prude, but the first time I saw 'Half-Dragon Dire Ape' I was like, 'There's just no amount of beer in the world.'
[Actually, I vaguely recall one adventure having a Half-Fiend Black Pudding. That's just nightmare inducing!]
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What's the CR on 150 aboriginies?Do any of them have class levels?
Ahhh....doesn't matter, my understanding is they got rid of the CR for 4th edition and rewrote the rule all together.
Yeah, and in 4e aren't we supposed to level up about every 10 encounters or so?
I'm going to ambush those aborigines one at a time.
Level 15 here I come!
Arctaris: Wouldn't it be a better (easier) to convert Paizo to staying at 3.5? (Joke)!
No, I won't even play 4e unless Paizo converts and even then I might convert Paizo adventures to 3.5.
Always expect the worst, that way you're prepared.
What's the CR on 150 aboriginies?Do any of them have class levels?
Ahhh....doesn't matter, my understanding is they got rid of the CR for 4th edition and rewrote the rule all together.
Yeah, and in 4e aren't we supposed to level up about every 10 encounters or so?
I'm going to ambush those aborigines one at a time.
Level 15 here I come!
Thats retarded. A level every 10 encounters means that you can hit level 20 in 200 encounters. The rate of leveling shouldn't be a steady thing; At first level 10 (or even fewer) encounters is a reasonable number for leveling. It should take considerably more encounters for a 19th level character to hit 20th level. The more I read about 4e the less I think I'll be able to (or even want to) pillage from it.
We did the math at home and it came to about 1 level every 2 and half games. I don't know about the rest of you, but when 3rd edition came out I tried their level advancement for about 4 levels, shut the book and said....ENOUGH! Before the next game I had come up with 3-4 different alternatives and let the players pick.
I'm hardly a prude, but the first time I saw 'Half-Dragon Dire Ape' I was like, 'There's just no amount of beer in the world.'...
A half-celstial owlbear?
A half-dragon giant scorpion?A half-dragon Mind-flayer?
A half-celestial Mind-flayer?
A half-fiend Medusa?
A half-fiend Pixie?
A half-fiend hound archon?
A half-dragon cow?
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Thats retarded. A level every 10 encounters means that you can hit level 20 in 200 encounters. The rate of leveling shouldn't be a steady thing; At first level 10 (or even fewer) encounters is a reasonable number for leveling. It should take considerably more encounters for a 19th level character to hit 20th level. The more I read about 4e the less I think I'll be able to (or even want to) pillage from it.
3.x was designed around 13 encounters per level, so over the course of 20 levels, that would be around 260 encounters. Given that they've said that it will take about the same amount of time to level to 30 in the new system, that would work out to about 9 encounters per level (tho 10 sounds likely). From what I've heard tho, a 30th level character in the new system is supposed to be roughly equivilent to a 20th level character in 3.x in terms of power.