Ok.....apparently I'm scary then, more than you know, I have 6 Xena CD's.Are you still going to talk to me or have I made the "Your to wierd to associate with category?
Heh. Nah, you're cool, I'll still talk to you.
(Besides, I'm a closet Xena fan)
Well, then I'm in good company then! Lucy does the voice of Goldmoon ya know!
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Well, then I'm in good company then! Lucy does the voice of Goldmoon ya know!
Ok.....apparently I'm scary then, more than you know, I have 6 Xena CD's.Are you still going to talk to me or have I made the "Your to wierd to associate with category?
Heh. Nah, you're cool, I'll still talk to you.
(Besides, I'm a closet Xena fan)
Yeah, I heard.
Last thing I saw her in was Battlestar Galactica I think...
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But yeah, nice big easy to understand 10 encounters = level and most sessions will run threw about an encounter+fluff in an hour. Sign me on really because it seems like they are taking into account the stuff thats happening anyway, and building the game arround that, as apposed to what happened 2 editions or more ago. Maybe im just a puppy sacrificing crack head satanist but I don't think I would ever game the same game for more than year? the people who are all like "yeah i ran the same game [or world my homebrew which i love more than life itself] for 10 years scare me, and its not like OMG the beauty scared like of angels and stuff but the "your probably a nutter should i really be encouraging this kind of behaviour in anyone" kind of scared.
This. Monologue. Paragraph. Thing. You lost me around 'beauty scared like of angels and stuff.' I don't mean 'lost me' as in 'I don't agree with you,' I mean 'lost me' as in 'spinning off into the eternal void of night as the airlock blows and I get blown off of the mothership.'
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Oh, and while I admit that I like the Dragonborn, I'm still not 100% sure how I'll make use of them in my games. Though it depends on the setting of course.
Greyhawk. I just don't see me allowing thee guys as PC's in my Greyhawk games.
Wilderlands. Yeah, I can see these guys being use din my Wilderland games.
Dragonlance. Hell yeah! Tweak 'em and call 'em Draconians.
The appeal of Dragon born is lost on me. I think they're a pretty poor substitute for half orcs. Maybe their stats can be proxied for lizardmen though. That could redeem them.
Of course, my group might decide not to switch to 4.0. In which case I wouldn't care at all. Time will tell.
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*Half Orcs* are a poor substitute for Half Orcs, given their implementation in 3E. Sucky race, all around, despite the interesting role-play angle and fun of playing them against type (things that 4E is discouraging anyway, since the prevailing mood from 4E proponents appears to be, 'If you aren't optimized for your party role, you're hurting us.').
There's plenty to gnash teeth about, but Dragonborn sound like yet another fantasy race, no better or worse than many others.
I am surprised to see them make core a race that hasn't been around for awhile and hasn't yet built up any traction (unlike Tieflings, which have been around for quite some time, and were foreshadowed back in Greyhawk with that firstest and bestest of bastard half-fiends, Iuz the Old). Heck, of the shiny new races, Goliaths seem far more popular...
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Heck, of the shiny new races, Goliaths seem far more popular...
Speaking of goliaths, I'm surprised that the new races introduced in the "Races Of" books weren't better utilized for 4e. I guess Dragonborn count for that, since they came out of Races of the Dragon, but that being the case, why didn't WotC make kobold a PH race? Especially with all the kobold love we've seen over the past year or so?
Yup, sorry Meepo. They got rid of those gnomes you hate, but they decided to give the job to the new guy. Said something about your being "over-qualified."
I really loathe Dragonborn. A half dragon cow IS more logical and more entertaining than this race.
Where's my half-orc, Wizards of the Coast? I can't play a half orc anymore?
Oh, wait, that concept I had for a gnome fighter? GONE!
What they're doing to the Realms? I'd rather eat glass than suck these changes down.
No Greyhawk? Hail Naelax! We shall invade your tiny nation after forced reunification, and crush your 4e core into blood on the grindstones of Rauxes! With Xavener's decapitated head as our totem, we shall...
WTF is that Dragonborn thing?
Baron Grennell of the Kingdom of the North, staring at 4th edition....
Really. What was wrong with Lizard Men?
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Grok=dig.
Bree yark=some humanoid battle cry or whatever.
I'm sorry, I usually let this go, but I guess it's just too early in the morning or something and I just can't take it.
Grok does not mean "dig." Nor does it mean "I getcha," or even "I understand."
To grok something means to understand it so fully that it becomes a part of yourself. You must know something intuitively and deeply, and become so close to it that "the observer becomes part of the observed."
Grok is a very Zen concept, but more than that, it's a silly sci-fi word that geeks like to use to feel superior to the non-geeks who stare at them in confusion. Sadly, most of the time it's being MISused in that context, and so the geek, unknowingly, sounds vastly more stupid than the person who didn't understand the word grok in the first place.
I need some coffee.
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Grok is a very Zen concept, but more than that, it's a silly sci-fi word that geeks like to use to feel superior to the non-geeks who stare at them in confusion. Sadly, most of the time it's being MISused in that context, and so the geek, unknowingly, sounds vastly more stupid than the person who didn't understand the word grok in the first place.
And in such pedantry, prove that they don't really grok the concept themselves, since it's pretty darn nonjudgemental. :)
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Bree Yark came from Keep on the Borderlands. it's the goblin equivilent of "Hey, Rube!"Kobold, I thought...
['Cause I just made a post about pedantry, so now I gotta indulge in some.] :)
The goblins in B2 are the one who shout "Bree-yark". Also, the rumor table label it as goblin for "we surrender" (marked as false).
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I really like the dragonborn concept art, and I've always loved tieflings (though their new art doesn't do it for me). My problem with them has nothing to do with them, I just don't think they belong in the PH. They should be much rarer than that. PH races should be people you are likely to encounter in any normal town in the world. How many dragons and demons are there in the world that their spawn are as common as halflings? Tieflings make sense as a standard race in Planescape, but I don't know about regular D&D.
Part of this complaint is due to the coolness of the races. They don't seem as cool if they're common. A warlord who's the son of a red dragon is cool. A milkman who is the son of a red dragon is just plain silly.
I like gnomes and half-orcs, so maybe I'm biased, but I think they make a lot more sense as regular races. Sure, half-orcs are fairly rare, but an orc is much more accessable to mate with than a dragon or a demon.
From what I've heard tho, a 30th level character in the new system is supposed to be roughly equivilent to a 20th level character in 3.x in terms of power.
A 4E epic level character (levels 21-30) is suppose to take on the gods. That doesn't sound close to a group of 20th level characters to me. I don't think a group of 20th level characters could go head to head with Orcus and he's not even a god.
EDIT: I know the official line is is that 3.5 levels 1-20 are suppose to equal 4E levels 1-30, but with the description that they're giving I have serious doubts its true. I wasn't saying you're wrong (since you were just repeating the official line); I'm just saying that I doubt the official line is true. BTW, Orcus's CR is 35. So a group of 30th level 3.5 characters would have trouble against him.
Blasphemer!
NG Orcus > WotC Orcus.
Fair enough. Does WotC have stats for Orcus?
Honestly dunno.
NG is Orcus.
=D
I only have NG's stats for Orcus. So all I can say is what is in the ToHr
Fair enough. Does WotC have stats for Orcus?Blasphemer!
NG Orcus > WotC Orcus.
Yes!
There are MANY statblocks for Orcus. Pick one! Book of Vile Darkness has one.
Fiendish Codex has one. Orcus is VERY popular.
The blasphemer comment was just a goof about your comment of Orcus not being a god. ;P
OHHH OOPS *blush* Nevermind.
I own neither the BoVD or FCI/II. What's his CR in a WotC book?
The BOVD one is about 35+.
The Avatar one from Fiendish Codex is a 22, but he's really dropped about 6 CRs, most of them are.
Even Yeenoghu's not really a CR 20, and he has DR 20/Epic.
I think it's lame how Wotc is all over Orcus now he's the 4e unholy mascot,Hello Necromancer Games already rode his bloated goat demonass for all it's worth and now Wotc is tryin to be cool and hip with demons and Orcus.
Yeah, as far as I'm concerned Orcus belongs to NG.
He showed up some how in every NG module either gates to Rappan Athuk or some other vague reference, a statue and or unholy symbol.(Yeah that right DEMONASS)
I think it's lame how Wotc is all over Orcus now he's the 4e unholy mascot,Hello Necromancer Games already rode his bloated goat demonass for all it's worth and now Wotc is tryin to be cool and hip with demons and Orcus.
I gotta admit, that is a damn good point. Until Necro went to town with Orcus, WotC pretty much wrote off Orcus. Necro does the leg work of bringing him back into the spotlight and WotC says, "Hey wait. We own him. Don't you go using him." It is their property and they can do whatever they want with it, but at what point is it really rediculus?
Yeah, after they tried to kill Orcus off in the H series - I really thought that we'd see Grazzt as the "iconic DND Demon Lord", however, the recent run of Demogorgon activity had me sure 4th would arrive with Demogorgon. Instead, since Orcus sold for NG, Wizards decided to jump on that bandwagon.
What about Jubilex? Where's his love? He survived first edition with a lousy 88 HIT POINTS!!!! He lasted all editions - and then sees Orcus, then Demogorgon get the glory. He thinks, o.k., they each had their shot - now it's my turn...and just as he's getting up to receive his award, someone kicks him in his oozy nads. It ain't right!
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I was poised to hate dragonborn on principle, and even with me planning to give 4e a try I didn't plan on making this race available to my players. Then I read R&C and have to admit that they sound pretty cool.
A couple of my players are pretty stoked about them. I don't allow non-standard races in my games, but now they'll have these guys in the PHB. So, some of my players are awaiting them like vultures.
So you wouldn't let old-skoolers to play gnomes or 1/2 orcs? since they won't be core races?
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So you wouldn't let old-skoolers to play gnomes or 1/2 orcs? since they won't be core races?I was poised to hate dragonborn on principle, and even with me planning to give 4e a try I didn't plan on making this race available to my players. Then I read R&C and have to admit that they sound pretty cool.
A couple of my players are pretty stoked about them. I don't allow non-standard races in my games, but now they'll have these guys in the PHB. So, some of my players are awaiting them like vultures.
Assuming I'm still running 4e when the other book come out (as I've mentioned, I'm a 2nd edition kind of guy) I'll likely be changing my policies and examining various races and classes on a case by case basis.
I did the same thing with 2nd edition, allowing half-orcs when they became available.
Ok.....apparently I'm scary then, more than you know, I have 6 Xena CD's.
Are you still going to talk to me or have I made the "Your to wierd to associate with category?
You're making this hard, you know. Xena and all her mythanthropic offspring are a pox on the face of mythology! Along with the Star Gate movie. It's the bloody Eye of Horus, people! The Udjat Eye is an acceptable alternative. :)
You're making this hard, you know. Xena and all her mythanthropic offspring are a pox on the face of mythology! Along with the Star Gate movie. It's the bloody Eye of Horus, people! The Udjat Eye is an acceptable alternative. :)Ok.....apparently I'm scary then, more than you know, I have 6 Xena CD's.
Are you still going to talk to me or have I made the "Your to wierd to associate with category?
Ok, so I take it that means your not a xena fan?
Heck, of the shiny new races, Goliaths seem far more popular...
Which were ripped lock, stock, and barrel from Earthdawn...
Ok, so I take it that means your not a xena fan?
Nah. But what got my goat was people that took what was presented in the show and assumed it was in any way, shape, or form a reflection of, uh, "true" mythology. As a beer and pretzels, show, I won't fault anyone for enjoying it, I just couldn't take it. But that's a personal preference.
Ah, well, Juiblex has Zuggtmoy in his corner; what more can a slime ask for?
I was going to post something...but you know, it would probably be best to let it pass. Don't want to be sent to the same corner as VomitGuy.
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I'm hardly a prude, but the first time I saw 'Half-Dragon Dire Ape' I was like, 'There's just no amount of beer in the world.'...A half-celstial owlbear?
A half-dragon giant scorpion?
A half-dragon Mind-flayer?
A half-celestial Mind-flayer?
A half-fiend Medusa?
A half-fiend Pixie?
A half-fiend hound archon?
A half-dragon cow?
And a half-dragon DRAGONBORN!
or a half-dragon DRAGON!
Yeah Baby, that is as kewl as it can get!
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I think it's lame how Wotc is all over Orcus now he's the 4e unholy mascot,Hello Necromancer Games already rode his bloated goat demonass for all it's worth and now Wotc is tryin to be cool and hip with demons and Orcus.
Face it, Orcus is abyssal celebrity!
Necromancer did not give him up after this little "Tenebrous" affair!No, they gave him Stats and Adventures (and Aventurers) and lots of it!
Orcus is like the Rolling Stones, they lead a rough life (I am looking at you Keith!) but thez are still in business.
Your parents like them, you like them and your children like them
Same with Orcus!
Asmodeus might be a God in 4th and Domogorgon has his (or their?) own adventure path.
But Orcus simply rocks, or to speak in Wocspeak: Orcus is Cool!
Everybody wants to meet the Stones. Same with Orcus: every Player dreams of killing him for good.
But the Stones can not meet every Fan.
NOT the same with Orcus anymore...
In 4th he is not a Special, nearly unkillable Demonlord anymore, but simply a MM Boss Monster.
But Orcus will survive and I am sure NG will give him the Stats he deserves.
All Hail Orcus!
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And a half-dragon DRAGONBORN!
Dude. You rock.
I'm so playing one of those.
But beware, this Class is the product of a Dragonborn forcing a Dragon to...well you know.
Hated by the Dragons the Half-Dragon Dragonborn often look for the company of Dragonborn where they are accepted.More intelligent as the full Dragonborn they often rise to positions of Leadership.
See, you don't need the unkewl Half-Orc. The Half-Dragon Dragonborn fills this niche perfectly!