FYI
http://www.gamespy.com/articles/819/819068p2.html
too many informational bits to share, so I'll let the rest of you comment.....
too many? I hope you are being sarcastic. I read it as simply another one in their series of "believe us it'll be great" statements which don't actually say anything about how the game itself will play.
too many? I hope you are being sarcastic. I read it as simply another one in their series of "believe us it'll be great" statements which don't actually say anything about how the game itself will play.
Have to agree, they didn't give anything new. Same stance "Buy our preview book cause 4th edition is great!"
Bleh... Nothing interesting to me.
But I'll give everyone else an easy to click link to the interview.
Well, he did say a little more than "4th edition is great!"
He said that we needed guidance on how to build a party.
He also gave us free reign to use or not use all the names of cities detailed in the DMG and other campaign books. Thanks Chris!
Now, I'm pretty excited about 4th edition, but I don't like this guy. It's a shame.
I've tried to remain largely neutral about 4E so far, but I don't really like how much it seems to be catering to the MMORPG/video game market. Faster level-ups apparently just because people like leveling up, not for any really practical reason. "Talent trees" bug me. If I want to play Diablo or some other Blizzard game, I'll sit at my computer and play it. Just seems too similar to me.
That being said, integration of epic level stuff may lead to more streamlined high level combat and I do like that magic users won't end up as basically commoners when they run out of spells. I guess I'll take a look at further previews, but there is a reason I don't generally play games with people on the internet (beyond possibly with Paizo board members)- take a look at the Wizards forums or many of the MMORPG forums. THOSE are the people you would likely end up sitting at your computer with to play "D&D". Broad stereotype, but that's my reasoning.
And jeez, Mr. Perkins. If I wanted to hear someone side-step direct questions with prepared statements, I would rewind the Antonio Gonzalez hearings. Well, if you count "I don't recall" as a prepared statement.
And I think in a year or two, everyone is going to be totally fed up with Wayne Reynolds. He's everywhere.
The grain of salt to remember with this article is that the questions were being asked by gamespy so of course they would be mostly videogame related. My problem with talent trees and such things is, it seems to makeminmaxing even more important or even easier
which I of course am opposed to.
The interview should have been called the "To Be Determined" interview with GameSpy. I suspect that they already know what the price point is for Gleemax and the DnDInsider, but are holding out till the dust settles over the 4.0 announcement.
My experience tells me that the price for DnDInsider will be considered high to the average D&D player. (do you want fires, I mean splat books with your order).
Their strategy here is to smash 3.0/3.5 gaming by killing off the Living Campaigns and seeing if they can pick up the gamers who can't organize their own home campaigns with the DnDInsider.
Not much in the interview. Don't expect more. The "B" team that is left at WOTC couldn't manage this release if they were given a manual. They will feel the sting of the pavement when they are thrown out on their asses in 18 months when 4.0 is a bust.
Well, he did say a little more than "4th edition is great!"
He said that we needed guidance on how to build a party.
He also gave us free reign to use or not use all the names of cities detailed in the DMG and other campaign books. Thanks Chris!
Now, I'm pretty excited about 4th edition, but I don't like this guy. It's a shame.
I have been a fan of Chis Perkins for a very long time, ever since he first was published in Dungeon under the nomme de plume of Chris Xarathrustra. There was a period where he oversaw Dungeon, and contributed several solid, appealing adventures.
Perhaps his gaming experience has gotten stale and he is on teh bandwagon to change it. Perhaps it could be all about the money. In any event, I cringe a little when I see him trying so hard to "sell" 4e. I hope I don't see too much that changes my impresion of the fresh-faced kid who loves DnD so much that he just cannot stop writing for it and about it.
Chris Perkins is the problem with the "B" team. His contributions to 3.0/3.5 was to author crummy splat books that were all fluff and no playtesting and managing Dungeon and Dragon Magazines in the final dark days before Eric Mona and Paizo resurrected them.
These comments are very telling:
GameSpy: Do the rules feel videogame-friendly and ripe for translation to the electronic realm and were they in any way created with that sort of thing in mind?
Christopher Perkins: Fourth Edition was created to be the best tabletop role-playing game on the market. The staff assigned to build the new game aren't professional videogame designers, but it does seem that the rules could be translated to the "electronic realm" with relative ease.
i.e. The business requirement for D&D 4.0 is to create a new set of rules that plays like an MMO so that it can be converted to an MMO once we are confortable that the rules work.
Chris, your not hiding anything. You and the "B" team like thieves in the night swapped the 3.0/3.5 tabletop rules for MMO rules and called it 4.0. Nothing can change that fact. If you think we won't notice, you'll find out the hard way when 4.o flops.
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Is it just me, or where the answers to the first two questions on the second page (where the features of the new DI are described) copy & pasted?
Christopher Perkins: D&D Insider is the digital portion of our 4th Edition D&D offerings, featuring the digital versions of Dragon Magazine and Dungeon Magazine, a character creator, a suite of DM tools, and the D&D Game Table that turns the Internet into a kitchen table around which you can play D&D with your friends. [...]
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Christopher Perkins: In addition to the more robust editorial content via Dragon and Dungeon content, the key elements for D&D Insider include a character creator, a suite of DM tools and the D&D Game Table that turns the Internet into a kitchen table around which you can play D&D with your friends.
If you are going to re-iterate marketing drivel, please do so in a manner that does not fall apart at even a cursory reading.
Terra, I read that and went "WTF? Does he even know what comes out of his mouth when he talks?" I can understand the desire by WoTC to keep many aspects of 4.0 secret but they could give us way more than the utter garbage that they have been spewing recently.
My only conclusion is that WoTC know 4e is going to bomb. Lets face it, if you know something is cool you show people bits, you want them to see it becase that will generate the exitment. Here there trying to get us exited without showing us a thing. what does that tell you?
After all which is more convincing:-
Watching a movie traler and seeing realy fun cool dramatic snip its.
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Being told by a stranger that the movie is cool, but you should totally see it for yourself, cant gove any details on what the cool parts are, or what made it cool.
All in all I just don't trust WoTC and am convinced they've lost all touch with us fans. I'm fairly sure the magazines were doing well enough to merit there continuation, that the DI could have coexisted with it. Instead they killed the magazines and are still showing nearly nothing and promising it will be cool. There gamer myspace was given a name that means nothing to any one who docent play magic, and a base theme designed by someone colour blind. Just the kind of geeky insular in jokes we do not need if we are to reach a better audience.
I fully accept the hobby needs to grow, but everything down to the way they lied about the imanance of 4e on there boards right to the day it was announced has further convinced me that the game that I loved is in the hands of fools. You don't gain new customers by disenfranchising old ones, you gain them my widening appeal, not shifting it.
Watching WoTC try to attract generation Net is like watching your balding middle aged uncle try to be 'hip' and about as sucessfull.
Perhaps Im wrong, perhaps when they show me something concrete I'll change my mind, in the mean time I turn to other games, by company's who I feel still know what there doing, and wait.
You (collectively): Hey IGR - thanks for the heads-up and the link!
Me: No problem guys! Anything for the Paizo messageboard community!
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You (collectively): Hey IGR - thanks for the heads-up and the link!
Me: No problem guys! Anything for the Paizo messageboard community!
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Well I'd like to thank you, didn't know about this interview till now.
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This doesn't relate to any of the content of the interview, but I have to say that the Wayne Reynolds drawing of Orcus on the 'preview' cover of the new Monster Manual is completely and utterly awsome.
I dunno, I like the 3e covers, they seem more like the covers for manuals rather than the covers for cartoons.
Just keep pulling the string on his back WotC...just pulling it...maybe something interesting will finally come out of it.
Seriously, does this seem like anything more than a nearly open grab for more revenue? A monthly subscription fee or a 'per session' cost to use this virtual gameboard?
I am starting to think that someone at Wizards is convinced that if they just 'tweak the market' that D&D will be able to generate as much revenue as Magic cards. Anyone with half a brain can see that a product line of books cannot ever match the selling power of a flimsy set of items with limited reuse (how often do players of Magic change or buy new decks? alot I think). Also, with a CCG you can expect people to go and buy multiple copies of one set just to find a single card...D&D isn't like that.
Also, D&D is not geared towards such a young audience (essentially young people with no bills and a cheap per pack price easily afforded by their allowance/job). Not to disrespect older Magic players, but the market for Magic depends on the fickle and impulsive nature of its chief buyers, teens. I suppose in the end the market will decide.
I also appreciate that the barely useful articles and features on the WoTC site that I'm currently getting for free will soon be folded into my D&D Insider subscription at no additional cost.
they're so kind...
the sad part is that I was actually sort of excited about the announcement untill I saw what BS they were spouting everywhere.
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I think Chris Perkins did an admirable job of answering the questions within the constraints of what he can reveal so far. Yes, some of the answers seemed canned or incomplete, but the release is still pretty far off and iit doesn't surprise me that there's a limit to how much he can say at this point.
I don't have any inside information regard the 4th Edition, but in my opinion it seems evident that they are trying to take some of the more player-friendly options of other games and work them into D&D. Since games like World of Warcraft draw so heavily on Dungeons and Dragons in the first place (even plagaristically so--they're based on D&D at least as much as D&D was based on the works of Tolkien), it seems to make sense for D&D to adopt the more successful rules ideas of third party games that used D&D for inspiration. It's a bit like the the OGL working in macro scale: others have introduced innovations of game design based on D&D concepts, and now D&D is evolving to include some of the better ideas. Now, Chris Perkins can't say it like that even if I'm right, but he did acknowledge that other games have introduced new design ideas, and that WotC has "learned a few things" from them.
I don't want to see D&D be based on an MMORPG rules system, but I don't mind if the designers look at what has been done with those games and incorporate a handful of ideas that will also work well for D&D. If that makes it easier for them to make a successful D&D MMORPG to usurp the World of Warcraft behemoth, I'm OK with that, too; it'll bring D&D more into the mainstream and make our game of physical dice and tabletop social interaction readily accessible to more potential players who come to know the rules and terminology through the online world.
Anyway, back to Chris Perkins: he's one of the greatest D&D adventure designers I've ever met and he knows the game inside and out. He's definately not WotC's "B-team", in my opinion, and I trust him to keep D&D fun. I don't know if I can convince my players to switch to 4E, but I am certainly interested in seeing what he, and the rest of the folks at WotC, do with it.
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This doesn't relate to any of the content of the interview, but I have to say that the Wayne Reynolds drawing of Orcus on the 'preview' cover of the new Monster Manual is completely and utterly awsome.I dunno, I like the 3e covers, they seem more like the covers for manuals rather than the covers for cartoons.
My thoughts too. I picked up the books for the first time and thought "cool, it's like a realistic spellbook or something." these covers just don't have any style or creativity in them. Not that the artwork is bad, but it should be inside the book, not on the cover.
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I think Chris Perkins did an admirable job of answering the questions within the constraints of what he can reveal so far. Yes, some of the answers seemed canned or incomplete, but the release is still pretty far off and iit doesn't surprise me that there's a limit to how much he can say at this point.
I don't have any inside information regard the 4th Edition, but in my opinion it seems evident that they are trying to take some of the more player-friendly options of other games and work them into D&D. Since games like World of Warcraft draw so heavily on Dungeons and Dragons in the first place (even plagaristically so--they're based on D&D at least as much as D&D was based on the works of Tolkien), it seems to make sense for D&D to adopt the more successful rules ideas of third party games that used D&D for inspiration. It's a bit like the the OGL working in macro scale: others have introduced innovations of game design based on D&D concepts, and now D&D is evolving to include some of the better ideas. Now, Chris Perkins can't say it like that even if I'm right, but he did acknowledge that other games have introduced new design ideas, and that WotC has "learned a few things" from them.
I don't want to see D&D be based on an MMORPG rules system, but I don't mind if the designers look at what has been done with those games and incorporate a handful of ideas that will also work well for D&D. If that makes it easier for them to make a successful D&D MMORPG to usurp the World of Warcraft behemoth, I'm OK with that, too; it'll bring D&D more into the mainstream and make our game of physical dice and tabletop social interaction readily accessible to more potential players who come to know the rules and terminology through the online world.
Anyway, back to Chris Perkins: he's one of the greatest D&D adventure designers I've ever met and he knows the game inside and out. He's definately not WotC's "B-team", in my opinion, and I trust him to keep D&D fun. I don't know if I can convince my players to switch to 4E,...
Blind faith is nothing new. Chris is "B" team. He lacks the integrity it takes to pass on an opportunity that spells nothing but a return to the 2nd edition dark times for D&D. His splat book work and Dungeon and Dragon Magazine stewardship led to a decline in both 3.0/3.5 and Dungeon and Dragon magazine circulation. The Dungeon and Dragon magazine decline was slowed and reversed by Paizo. For that WOTC pulled the plug. He loves to say that D&D 3.5 is cumbersome and overloaded with rules. Those rules didn't exist till he went on his merry way at the behest of WOTC loading us with splat books full of fluff that increased player options to a level of absurdity.
I could care less what he has to say. It has no substance. 4.0 will push D&D to the fringe again as to be irrelevant. If you think that the WOW and LOTR people aren't going to combat this in some way, shape, or form, your mistaken. They are probably laughing their asses off right now.
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This doesn't relate to any of the content of the interview, but I have to say that the Wayne Reynolds drawing of Orcus on the 'preview' cover of the new Monster Manual is completely and utterly awsome.I dunno, I like the 3e covers, they seem more like the covers for manuals rather than the covers for cartoons.
I will note that I said nothing about it as a cover for the book. I said that the drawing itself is a great depiction of Orcus.
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Blind faith is nothing new.
I certainly do have faith in Chris Perkins when it comes to making a good gaming product, but there's nothing blind about it. I've read his unedited adventure manuscripts, created finished adventure maps from his sketches (he makes the best in the business, hands down), met with him both as a freelancer first looking for work and a professional doing said work, had dinner with him, discussed subjects with him ranging from the game industry to his experience in barefisted boxing, and worked with him on RPG products too numerous for me to list during the better part of the last decade.
You're free to disparage him all you like (I doubt anything I can say would change your opinion in any case), but anyone who is actually familiar with him and his work has good reason to trust in his passion for, knowledge of, and experience with the Dungeons & Dragons game.
discussed subjects with him ranging from the game industry to his experience in barefisted boxing,
So you admit to brawling with WoTC staff and here we all thought you guys were on good terms.
I don't have any real opinion on Chris Perkins but the sheer amount of material attributed to him suggests a passion for gaming which I am all for.
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I certainly do have faith in Chris Perkins when it comes to making a good gaming product, but there's nothing blind about it. I've read his unedited adventure manuscripts, created finished adventure maps from his sketches (he makes the best in the business, hands down), met with him both as a freelancer first looking for work and a professional doing said work, had dinner with him, discussed subjects with him ranging from the game industry to his experience in barefisted boxing, and worked with him on RPG products too numerous for me to list during the better part of the last decade.You're free to disparage him all you like (I doubt anything I can say would change your opinion in any case), but anyone who is actually familiar with him and his work has good reason to trust in his passion for, knowledge of, and experience with the Dungeons & Dragons game.
Chris - word to the wise, the Real Brain is a troll of the first magnitude. If you flip through his posts you'll see that he consistently takes absurd positions, makes personal attacks, and is generally unpleasent. He's a far cry from the average gamer who isn't entirely happy with 4e and/or is upset with WotC about its release. I rarely call out troll, being prone to the occasional (*cough* frequent *cough*) blistering exchange myself, but he fits the definition.
I'd advise not wasting time dealing with him.
You're free to disparage him all you like (I doubt anything I can say would change your opinion in any case), but anyone who is actually familiar with him and his work has good reason to trust in his passion for, knowledge of, and experience with the Dungeons & Dragons game.
Chris - word to the wise, the Real Brain is a troll of the first magnitude. If you flip through his posts you'll see that he consistently takes absurd positions, makes personal attacks, and is generally unpleasent. He's a far cry from the average gamer who isn't entirely happy with 4e and/or is upset with WotC about its release. I rarely call out troll, being prone to the occasional (*cough* frequent *cough*) blistering exchange myself, but he fits the definition.
I'd advise not wasting time dealing with him.
I'd have to concur. I'm not the most optimistic person about 4th edition. I have some reservations about the direction of the rules, and lots of reservations about the "story" aspect of the game, but at the same time, I know a lot of the designers from their work, and I'd not automatically dismiss any of them as being on the "b" team. I may not agree with what they are currently doing, but at the same time, just because it doesn't work for me doesn't mean they lack talent.
And honestly, I'd rather have more focused discussions on specific issues with 4th edition and what may be wrong or right about them then making blanket statements one way or the other about the game, and resorting to personal attacks.
If Chris Pekins is so great name his works that have impressed you and why. I could care less about how neat his manuscripts are and how well drawn out his maps are or for that matter that he fights with his bare hands. We already know that he can't be straight with us and is a bad presenter. His latest endeavor should be called 4.doh! Mark my words. 4.0 will be a major financial failure for Hasbro. There will plenty of blame to go around. I hope Chris can handle a large slice of suck.
I should change my name to the Real Troll.
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You're free to disparage him all you like (I doubt anything I can say would change your opinion in any case), but anyone who is actually familiar with him and his work has good reason to trust in his passion for, knowledge of, and experience with the Dungeons & Dragons game.Chris - word to the wise, the Real Brain is a troll of the first magnitude. If you flip through his posts you'll see that he consistently takes absurd positions, makes personal attacks, and is generally unpleasent. He's a far cry from the average gamer who isn't entirely happy with 4e and/or is upset with WotC about its release. I rarely call out troll, being prone to the occasional (*cough* frequent *cough*) blistering exchange myself, but he fits the definition.
I'd advise not wasting time dealing with him.
I'd have to concur. I'm not the most optimistic person about 4th edition. I have some reservations about the direction of the rules, and lots of reservations about the "story" aspect of the game, but at the same time, I know a lot of the designers from their work, and I'd not automatically dismiss any of them as being on the "b" team. I may not agree with what they are currently doing, but at the same time, just because it doesn't work for me doesn't mean they lack talent.
And honestly, I'd rather have more focused discussions on specific issues with 4th edition and what may be wrong or right about them then making blanket statements one way or the other about the game, and resorting to personal attacks.
I'll third that motion, Chris. Don't waste your time with this guy. Work on your LoM Gazetteer instead!
Will there be varying subscription levels? Can someone subscribe to the community features and the toolsets (like the character builder and gaming table), but not the magazine content?
A free D&D website will continue to exist, which will include news of upcoming products, message boards, forums, and the like. The select D&D Insider portion of the website will be available to subscribers only and features such items as the digital magazine content (Dragon Magazine and Dungeon Magazine), DM and Player Tools, and the D&D Gaming Table.
Back to the core question, Perkins, will there be varying subscription levels. If I don't want the tabletop or Dungeon can I pay a lower rate? I'm not a rich guy, Chris.
Anyway, back to Chris Perkins: he's one of the greatest D&D adventure designers I've ever met and he knows the game inside and out. He's definately not WotC's "B-team", in my opinion, and I trust him to keep D&D fun. I don't know if I can convince my players to switch to 4E, but I am certainly interested in seeing what he, and the rest of the folks at WotC, do with it.
I'm sure he's a great guy, but that answer is a tremendous show of disrespect to both his interviewer and his customers. He has disrespected me, so why should I cut him a break?
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I don't know that anyones EVER been denied or had their access to the Paizo boards revoked before, but I think I know of a certain candidate whom might qualify! :)
I just took a moment to check every post yet written by Tim Kosinski, aka The real brain, aka the real troll.
He, to my mind is not being a troll, in that his posts are not solely negative and he refrains, in the most part from personal attacks on other Paizonites.
Calling for someone to be banned from a conversation is a bit harsh.
To Tim:
Lighten up. Leaven your posts with a bit of humour. Don't attack people or insult them, and try to remember that Wizards of the Coast is chock full of gamers and geeks. Many of whom are friends of the people on these boards.
Quotes of yours like this gem:
"If you defend Liz then you probably believe that the Nazi's should be forgiven since they were only following orders from Hitler. I am a senior executive at a company on the same level as Liz and she had the power to do something other then cancel Dragon and Dungeon magazines. If I am wrong about how much control she has over the Dungeons and Dragons brand then she must just be a figurehead controlled by a brain in the jar called Hasbro.
By the way have you seen the size of my Brain!"
Are the equivalent of rolling a 1 on diplomacy. They will lose friends and alienate people.
Well, ok. Maybe a bit too harsh.
I just took a moment to check every post yet written by Tim Kosinski, aka The real brain, aka the real troll.
He, to my mind is not being a troll, in that his posts are not solely negative and he refrains, in the most part from personal attacks on other Paizonites.
Calling for someone to be banned from a conversation is a bit harsh.
To Tim:
Lighten up. Leaven your posts with a bit of humour. Don't attack people or insult them, and try to remember that Wizards of the Coast is chock full of gamers and geeks. Many of whom are friends of the people on these boards.Quotes of yours like this gem:
"If you defend Liz then you probably believe that the Nazi's should be forgiven since they were only following orders from Hitler. I am a senior executive at a company on the same level as Liz and she had the power to do something other then cancel Dragon and Dungeon magazines. If I am wrong about how much control she has over the Dungeons and Dragons brand then she must just be a figurehead controlled by a brain in the jar called Hasbro.By the way have you seen the size of my Brain!"
Are the equivalent of rolling a 1 on diplomacy. They will lose friends and alienate people.
Sometimes I use somewhat harsh comparisons in my posts and stage a personal attack or two or ten.
I'm actually new to this message board thing and until recently, didn't have a good sense for what is and is not acceptable on message boards.
My first observation was that there are many double standards out here. I was vilified for objecting to what I Beleive was improper language in Dragon Magazine and at the same time was denounced for using the word Nazi in a post. I suppose if your witty about things like some other members of this board its OK.
I'm not posting to be witty or amusing. I post my observations to the board to see what other think. I sift through most of the garbage like the posts from the trolls who accuse everyone else of being a troll to look for opinions that really matter.
What many term as person attacks are nothing of the sort. I have made statements about individuals that none of the posters on this board can refute. I am still waiting for someone to share thier gaming experience with Liz Stroh or present a shining example of Chris Perkin's great works. These people are the stewards of the game and are doing a poor job. They are not immune to criticism especially because D&D has become more then a game, but a lifestyle. People derive pleasure from playing D&D. These people's job is to derive money from those that derive pleasure from the game. If the return for our dollars is mistreatment and abuse then their motivations and talent should be called into question.
I want to lighten up. I really do. In the face of the lack of respect that WOTC has for elderly gamers such as myself (33) I can only thrash about and point out where they are going wrong. I am obviously not part of the market they are targeting and once 4.0 is released will more then likely ignore anything 4.0. There's simply no reason for me to spend my money on the game any longer. I have plenty of material to keep me busy for a long time.
Just Trollin away.
The Real Brain a.k.a The Real Troll, a.k.a Tim Kosinski
My first observation was that there are many double standards out here.
True
In the face of the lack of respect that WOTC has for elderly gamers such as myself (33)
hey, I'm 35 and I'm definitely not elderly.
I do hate that being my age makes noone in charge of anything give a rats arse about my opinion. SInce im not a tween with mommies money to burn or old and runnign everything.Man it sucks being Gen X in todays "Gen Y/Baby Boomer-centric" world
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My first observation was that there are many double standards out here. I was vilified for objecting to what I Beleive was improper language in Dragon Magazine and at the same time was denounced for using the word Nazi in a post. I suppose if your witty about things like some other members of this board its OK.
No, you weren't taken to task for using the word Nazi. If you had said, "the guys in the grey uniforms in Germany in WW II were Nazis," no one would have said anything to you about it at all. What you were taken to task for was calling someone that works at a game company, helping to produce hobby material, a Nazi.
"You ruined my enjoyment of my free time, that's like unto marching across Europe, killing hundreds of thousands of innocent people, and systematically trying to commit genocide."
Its pretty ridiculous, and even if you have a good point, you completely undermine it with this level of hyperbole.
I have made statements about individuals that none of the posters on this board can refute. I am still waiting for someone to share thier gaming experience with Liz Stroh or present a shining example of Chris Perkin's great works. These people are the stewards of the game and are doing a poor job. They are not immune to criticism especially because D&D has become more then a game, but a lifestyle. People derive pleasure from playing D&D. These people's job is to derive money from those that derive pleasure from the game. If the return for our dollars is mistreatment and abuse then their motivations and talent should be called into question.
Because they are doing something you don't like or agree with, you seem to argue that you therefore have free reign to make personal attacks on them or to dismiss their entire body of work. Again, this makes it easy to undermine your argument. If you indict the person's talent, and another person that may have agreed with your point has enjoyed that person's work, they immediately question your judgment.
On the other hand, if you say something along the lines of, "while I can appreciate that he may be a talented adventure designer, this doesn't automatically translate into being able to built brand new rules into the game that have been taken back to zero," or something to that effect. Its a lot less offensive, and is a much better argument.
"To forgive our enemies their virtues, that is the greater miracle,"--Voltare.
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Man it sucks being Gen X in todays "Gen Y/Baby Boomer-centric" world
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I feel like the boomers are the dog owners, the gen y's are the cute little assertive puppies that can do nothing wrong even when they s%%$ in master's slippers, and I am the loyal old dog tied up in the back yard. I feel this way at least twice a day at work.
yay! they are catering directly to my generation... too bad they are failing horribly in my opinion.
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I don't even know if that's necessarily so. How I feel, and how things are, don't always 100% mesh. I am a half empty glass kind of guy, but I've just recently decided to work on that.
I want to, through the power of positive thought, please the masters that be into giving me the tasty table scraps.
I don't even know if that's necessarily so. How I feel, and how things are, don't always 100% mesh. I am a half empty glass kind of guy, but I've just recently decided to work on that.
I want to, through the power of positive thought, please the masters that be into giving me the tasty table scraps.
~hands you the carcas of a half eaten deer~ Happy?
num num num...lilith cook this? iss dasdy. num num num...
I stole a recipe that she has. ~thinks~ Uh, oh! Gots to run before she catches me! ~Jumps and flaps my wings, flying away~
In the face of the lack of respect that WOTC has for elderly gamers such as myself (33)hey, I'm 35 and I'm definitely not elderly.
I do hate that being my age makes noone in charge of anything give a rats arse about my opinion. SInce im not a tween with mommies money to burn or old and runnign everything.
Man it sucks being Gen X in todays "Gen Y/Baby Boomer-centric" world
oops slipped the track...
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I don't want to get into an age discussion per se, as 4th edition is already divisive enough on these boards w/out introducing another possible line in the sand...but it's not uncommon for the people who are most against the idea of 4th edition to be those who've played the longest. It's been said more than once that WOTC has calculated our defections (and for the record, I'm going to wait until 4th ed is out before committing one way or the other) into their plans. What boggles the mind about this is that we're the ones who likely have the greatest disposable income to spend on their products. And if they're hoping to make up for our losses w/ the younger players-to-be, to try and make it a net win in sheer numbers, I just can't fathom why they think killing off the print magazines (=free publicity for a new edition!) and limiting previews to their website will draw in huge numbers of new players.
And Swirler, it may be halfway a Baby Boomer-centric world, but I'm guessing you're not actually wishing you were that old (I snuck in at the very tail end of the Boomers, but I'm sadly not running anything) :)
And Swirler, it may be halfway a Baby Boomer-centric world, but I'm guessing you're not actually wishing you were that old
naw i dont want to be that old, I just hate being either too old or too young for anyone to A: Hire me, B: value my opinion c: Not feel bad about messing up things I like
and for the record, I am waiting to pass jusgement, and hoping/praying for the best. Not everything ive heard is bad, unfortunately we've heard so very little, atleast little as far as quantifiable things to judge.im still crossing my fingers over here
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Chris - word to the wise, the Real Brain is a troll of the first magnitude. If you flip through his posts you'll see that he consistently takes absurd positions, makes personal attacks, and is generally unpleasent.
Thanks, Sebastian, and all who voiced this same point. I actually had suspected as much before replying and did check through his aliases on the boards to confirm my suspicions before I posted.
I still felt it was worth qualifying my opinion to some extent, for the sake of others who may have wondered why I felt Mr. Perkins deserved more consideration, but I have no intention of being draw into a further debate about it. I think I made my point, and will be leaving it at that. Anyone genuinely interested in his D&D credits or views can read some of his adventures or editorials and judge it for themselves; the index in Dungeon #150 should help you pick out the issues with his adventures.