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Will one or more of you enlighten me and those of us who don't bother to read the WoTC message boards what exactly you have observed. Are the posters there complete sychophants who are passionately in love with 4th edition, or are they for the most part against it, to the point of being irritating? I have just gotten an account with D&D insider (mainly so I can get the 3.5 version of Tsojcanth due out in October) and I haven't read the boards... So help a fellow Killer GM out will ya...
Post anything asking for assistance or a helpful evaluation and you can prepare to be eviscerated by anyone who wishes to feel powerful over there. Every single poster over there is the be-all-end-all expert on whatever they decide to spout and they tend to gang up on anyone pointing out that they are acting rudely by turning it around on that person with debate-team tactics and rudimentary psychological BS. I had a run-in while asking for assistance in building a spell-list for a certain concept I had and was beaten for 30+ post about how I was too lazy to make my own list, how dumb I must be for not being able to create a list and, once I revealed that I had a list that I didn't want to post so as not to color someone's opinion of what spells should be on said characters list, was called a liar. I hate that site and the idiots on there who hide behind the internet's veil of anominity and use it to get their kicks by trying to be tough online. If someone had ever spoken to me in person like they did on that one thread, they would be in the hospital.
Rant over, sorry.I LOVE PAIZO!!!!
FH
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I wuv Paizo Golem! It's my bestest friend! :D
Seriously, I must say that this is the most grown-up gaming forum I've encountered to date. I too have an account with Gleemax/WotC/DDI/junior kindergarten, but have never felt enough need for abuse to post there.
These forums are the best resource for getting serious advice about the various products that Paizo crafts, and the members (usually) take the time to think before they type. Even the flames here are spellchecked. ;)
There is also the added bonus of actually being able to ask questions and get answers from the writers and staff of Dungeon/Dragon/Pathfinder. I know that WotC staff sometimes lurk or post on other boards (hello to Shoe and Lurkinglidda), but the responsiveness here is much better.
Okay, enough of this love-in. Back to plotting more horrible ways to traumatise my PC's with green worms!
I wuv Paizo Golem! It's my bestest friend! :D
Speaking of...
Where's our Paizo t-shirts? :D*goes to poke Phil*
Aw, the WotC boards aren't that bad...just go there after a bad day, find a thread called "How to stat [insert current movie bad***]?", "What alignment is this character?" or "My DM won't let me play a [insert latest splatbook cheese]!" and inform all the bickering dimwits how and why they need to stop typing at their computers and live their lives.
Well, it's not for everyone. I do recommend giantitp.com/forums for paizo-level coolness.
I love you all too.
Let's all hold hands, sing coombayah together, and feel blessed that we aren't on the WotC boards.
No, let's all hold hands and sing that song from the Grinch.
Even ugly frog-troll-man-thing like me is happy and welcome and not told to sleep in gutter here at Paizo! Me am so happy to have Paizo!
I love chair.
I LOVE LAMP!
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Even ugly frog-troll-man-thing like me is happy and welcome and not told to sleep in gutter here at Paizo! Me am so happy to have Paizo!
Yeah, me too. Paizo is the only place that would take in an impulsive, snarky, and amoral bastard like myself. I mean, if I went anywhere else, I'd be shunned, man. I'm like the entire world's creepy cousin who hangs around comic shops after dark. We all know guys like that.
I just come here for the cool avatars.
Well, no, I also like the interaction of the Paizo team (in stark contrast to the corporate silence of WotC), the high nice-person-to-meanie ratio (Sebastian excluded, of course), and the razor-sharp banter between the various Dungeon & Dragon writers. It's so witty it makes my eyes bleed. :)
Okay, enough of this love-in. Back to plotting more horrible ways to traumatise my PC's with green worms!
Don't forget : when they are reincarnated and the dice come up 00 ... you can choose to have them reincarnate as a green worm ... ^_^
Even ugly frog-troll-man-thing like me is happy and welcome and not told to sleep in gutter here at Paizo! Me am so happy to have Paizo!
Pull up a padded room next to mine, you'll do fine.
And the free glop on the trays they slide through the door even tastes only slightly like wet cardboard. Nummies...
when I go over there, a little corner of my soul shrivels up and dies.Me too.
Who are you kidding? You have no soul. :)
Will one or more of you enlighten me and those of us who don't bother to read the WoTC message boards what exactly you have observed. Are the posters there complete sychophants who are passionately in love with 4th edition, or are they for the most part against it, to the point of being irritating? I have just gotten an account with D&D insider (mainly so I can get the 3.5 version of Tsojcanth due out in October) and I haven't read the boards... So help a fellow Killer GM out will ya...Post anything asking for assistance or a helpful evaluation and you can prepare to be eviscerated by anyone who wishes to feel powerful over there. Every single poster over there is the be-all-end-all expert on whatever they decide to spout and they tend to gang up on anyone pointing out that they are acting rudely by turning it around on that person with debate-team tactics and rudimentary psychological BS. I had a run-in while asking for assistance in building a spell-list for a certain concept I had and was beaten for 30+ post about how I was too lazy to make my own list, how dumb I must be for not being able to create a list and, once I revealed that I had a list that I didn't want to post so as not to color someone's opinion of what spells should be on said characters list, was called a liar. I hate that site and the idiots on there who hide behind the internet's veil of anominity and use it to get their kicks by trying to be tough online. If someone had ever spoken to me in person like they did on that one thread, they would be in the hospital.
Rant over, sorry.
I LOVE PAIZO!!!!
FH
I gotta go over there and check this out. PUNKs I want to start an online gang war now.
YO man, Paizo fo' life
I wuv Paizo Golem! It's my bestest friend! :DSpeaking of...
Where's our Paizo t-shirts? :D
*goes to poke Phil*
We can get t-shirts now? Oh man, that's great! Something else to wear to work to freak out the people on my case load! Can we get decoder rings too?
We can get t-shirts now? Oh man, that's great! Something else to wear to work to freak out the people on my case load! Can we get decoder rings too?
No...and that's the problem! *shakes fist futilely* Send your emails, folks! We demand Paizo t-shirts for the masses! Only then will they know our mantra - "The Golem Gots Game!"
Uh, as far as the decoder ring, you need to be a 2nd Degree Paizonian for that. Or something. >.> (Kidding, of course.)
when I go over there, a little corner of my soul shrivels up and dies.Me too.
(theoreticaly speaking)
But not legally speaking. Neither federal nor any state law recognizes the transient natural of soul-material as a result of online interaction, regardless of the level of sanity and intelligence, or any soul-loss resulting thereof, of the online participants.
I gotta go over there and check this out. PUNKs I want to start an online gang war now.
YO man, Paizo fo' life
Finally checked the message board there. I've been debating people over there about a free online virtual gametable. Appearantly free virtual game table would be a bad idea, poor poeple should not play D&D (they have better things to do), and if I want a free virtual game table I should make my own.
Anyway there pretty lame at debating. They lack the snarky charm and sarcasm I love so much here at Paizo.
I love you guys!!!
P>S< I'm in a punchy mood so I will probably go back an show WotC message boards, what snarky is all about.
We can get t-shirts now? Oh man, that's great! Something else to wear to work to freak out the people on my case load! Can we get decoder rings too?No...and that's the problem! *shakes fist futilely* Send your emails, folks! We demand Paizo t-shirts for the masses! Only then will they know our mantra - "The Golem Gots Game!"
Uh, as far as the decoder ring, you need to be a 2nd Degree Paizonian for that. Or something. >.> (Kidding, of course.)
I vote for t-SHIRTS
I just come here for the cool avatars.
Well, no, I also like the interaction of the Paizo team (in stark contrast to the corporate silence of WotC), the high nice-person-to-meanie ratio (Sebastian excluded, of course), and the razor-sharp banter between the various Dungeon & Dragon writers. It's so witty it makes my eyes bleed. :)
Emphasis mine.
But Sebastian is mean AND articulate. And its funny to read his posts.
At least he doesn't just tell you that you suxxor and not back it up.
Here on Paizo with Sebastian you get a nice little paragraph or mini essay expounding on the flaws inherent in both yourself and your post. ;-)
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Seriously thought, its been a while since I left the WotC boards, but isn't it telling that they don't allow you to discuss the novels? Apparently it was because too many trolls picked apart every page of the novels and were exeptionally rude in personal attacks on the authors, etc.
I gotta go over there and check this out. PUNKs I want to start an online gang war now.
YO man, Paizo fo' lifeFinally checked the message board there. I've been debating people over there about a free online virtual gametable. Appearantly free virtual game table would be a bad idea, poor poeple should not play D&D (they have better things to do), and if I want a free virtual game table I should make my own.
Anyway there pretty lame at debating. They lack the snarky charm and sarcasm I love so much here at Paizo.
I love you guys!!!
P>S< I'm in a punchy mood so I will probably go back an show WotC message boards, what snarky is all about.
Just do not encourage any of the morons on the WoTC message boards to visit or post on this website. I can do without their drivel here. If I choose to visit those boards, I'll consider myself fare warned. The one time I did visit the message boards, I had a hard time understanding the boards. The posts seemed very detatched from each other. Maybe I was doing something wrong. Who knows...
Amen.Quit oppressing me with your religion!!!
;-)
Seriously though, you really should move to California.
amen is not religious; Seb old boy; it translates to English as "so be it". If someone uses something in Latin or Greek are they trying to philosophy you? hehe how about Spanish; are they viva ing your la raca; if it is French is it a come on?
Just do not encourage any of the morons on the WoTC message boards to visit or post on this website. I can do without their drivel here. If I choose to visit those boards, I'll consider myself fare warned. The one time I did visit the message boards, I had a hard time understanding the boards. The posts seemed very detatched from each other. Maybe I was doing something wrong. Who knows...I gotta go over there and check this out. PUNKs I want to start an online gang war now.
YO man, Paizo fo' lifeFinally checked the message board there. I've been debating people over there about a free online virtual gametable. Appearantly free virtual game table would be a bad idea, poor poeple should not play D&D (they have better things to do), and if I want a free virtual game table I should make my own.
Anyway there pretty lame at debating. They lack the snarky charm and sarcasm I love so much here at Paizo.
I love you guys!!!
P>S< I'm in a punchy mood so I will probably go back an show WotC message boards, what snarky is all about.
Paizo's message board is far more user friendly, which is why I stick arround. I've been there trying to figure out what is up with 4th edition D&D. I'm not sure they really look at them. I Think people feel more free to be honest here. The WotC staff do not seem to post on those boards. I got thank the Paizo staff for keeping in touch and actually answer questions and voice there opinions on there messageboards.
Yeah, I just like this place more. I mean, I haven't posted on the Wizards boards in like, six months. Maybe it's because the staff here actually acknowledge that the posters are human...living...sentient beings and not just some program. That and it always boils to the same tedious argument on the Planes board; law/chaos or good/evil?
-Hoping to come into my new family with open arms,
Tarascon
Hoping to come into my new family with open arms
Aww...
*rolls out the goodies cart, full of tasty treats**rolls out the cooler, full of tasty drinks*
Welcome!
Hoping to come into my new family with open armsAww...
*rolls out the goodies cart, full of tasty treats*
*rolls out the cooler, full of tasty drinks*Welcome!
YAY! SCONES! ::munch munch::
A good helping of mental failure never hurt anyone..Provided they weren't fighting a fire in an oil field... Or they weren't a nuerosurgeon.. Or they had your back in a game of paintball.. Or... Dang it! This isn't working!!
Shirts?!? <shouts hooray in an anticipatory fashion>
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See? now at WotC, I'd get flamed for this post.
Here, I will just await the friendly attacks on my sanity from all of you, not to mention Sebastian's response telling me why I'm a hopeless fanboy for waiting for my shirt.
I gotta say it again--I ventured to WotC today again and fled screaming--I love you guys. <sniff> []weeps[/]
And Sebastian--I gotta know where you attended Law School...Mine wouldn't let me graduate with ANY of my soul remaining.....
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I have just gotten an account with D&D insider (mainly so I can get the 3.5 version of Tsojcanth due out in October)
Hilarity. I just created a login a couple of days ago for the exact same purpose. I wonder how many others are waiting to pounce on whatever 3.5 compatible stuff they put out prior to the launch of 4.0 with a plan of riding off into the sunset with it when the big switch occurs?
Here on Paizo with Sebastian you get a nice little paragraph or mini essay expounding on the flaws inherent in both yourself and your post.
It helps make him feel better about himself and his lack of a soul-like thingie.
I got nuttin' but luv 4 U SB.
Shirts?!? <shouts hooray in an anticipatory fashion>
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See? now at WotC, I'd get flamed for this post.Here, I will just await the friendly attacks on my sanity from all of you, not to mention Sebastian's response telling me why I'm a hopeless fanboy for waiting for my shirt.
<attacks your sanity in a friendly fashion>
-The Gneech
I'll let you know when I get back there. We go at least once a year.Amen.Seriously though, you really should move to California.
Yeah! then you could game with me, darren, and mr. black. there's only three of us...
I haven't been on the WotC messageboards, but from what I've read on the subject here, it sounds like there's a lot of 'rules lawyers' just waiting to tell you that you're wrong about anything you post, and will continue to argue about it even after you tell them they're right.That pretty much sums it up.
I haven't visited the WoTC boards for years, but I blame them for the belief that there needs to be a 4th Edition, and that Grappling is clunky, etc...
In short, everything there is an argument. You can't have a discussion, since a discussion can actually have more than one person as "right."
Bad memories. Bad memories.
I remember being told that a weapon can't have Flaming and Frost on it, because it "didn't make sense," and any DM who allowed it was an idiot.
Really open minded there...
Has anybody else noticed WotC's de-emphisis of "it's your game" and my old chestnut of "all you need is dice, rules, stationary and friends"? Maybe that kind if self reliance is bad for selling more books?
If the hidebound attitude that seems to pervade the WotC messageboards is reflective of the feedback the design staff gets, then I despair.
Rules Lawyers have their place, of course, but I needn't tell you that D&D is about making shared memories with friends while cocreating a great story too.
Thank god we have this place at least to remember that.
I've been debating people over there about a free online virtual gametable. Appearantly free virtual game table would be a bad idea, poor people should not play D&D (they have better things to do), and if I want a free virtual game table I should make my own.
Kinda plays into what I just talked about;
"D&D?!? Then you'll need at least two hundred dollars worth of books and minis, a hundred dollar subscription to the virtual table for each player (making the minis redundant) and a kidney to offer to Wizards".That said- knowing the calibre of folks on that messageboards, I expect the posters to be upper middle-class adolesents who've never done and honest day's work and simply don't know the value of a buck.
I gotta go over there and check this out. PUNKs I want to start an online gang war now.
YO man, Paizo fo' life
Yes! Lets do it! We could take them!
You guys are the best internet almost family ever. Lillith brought scones! I might descend into scones induced acronym use....
Paizo fo' life!
...but I needn't tell you that D&D is about making shared memories with friends while cocreating a great story too.
And here I thought it was to crush your enemies, see them driven before you and hear the lamentations of the women.
Paizo fo' life!
Write or die!
Paizo's boards are the only ones I can still get to at work, which to me suggests something about their worth in comparison to certain others. There are always well-reasoned discussions here and the posters are actually open to the idea that they may learn something. Certainly a novel situation in this day and age.
Oh, and not enough can be said about the responsiveness and helpfulness of the Paizo staff. Despite a very busy work schedule, they always find time to read and respond to the boards. Also, there is no company that comes close to the awesome customer service that Paizo provides.
simply don't know the value of a buck.
The value of a buck is directly proportional to the skill of the taxidermist. ;)
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haven't been on the Wizard forums I think since the last Chainmail stuff was coming out, more or less just don't post there, besides I get my D&D/gaming fix here for the most part.
other then I'm not a big fan of the forum formats (thou it's not as bad as it was when I first started posting) here, still all around good forum.
RM
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I have just gotten an account with D&D insider (mainly so I can get the 3.5 version of Tsojcanth due out in October)Hilarity. I just created a login a couple of days ago for the exact same purpose. I wonder how many others are waiting to pounce on whatever 3.5 compatible stuff they put out prior to the launch of 4.0 with a plan of riding off into the sunset with it when the big switch occurs?
SELLOUTS!
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I have just gotten an account with D&D insider (mainly so I can get the 3.5 version of Tsojcanth due out in October)Hilarity. I just created a login a couple of days ago for the exact same purpose. I wonder how many others are waiting to pounce on whatever 3.5 compatible stuff they put out prior to the launch of 4.0 with a plan of riding off into the sunset with it when the big switch occurs?
Hey. If either of you also has the 1e. mod, take a look and tell me how similar/easy to just covert/ it would be.
SELLOUTS!I have just gotten an account with D&D insider (mainly so I can get the 3.5 version of Tsojcanth due out in October)Hilarity. I just created a login a couple of days ago for the exact same purpose. I wonder how many others are waiting to pounce on whatever 3.5 compatible stuff they put out prior to the launch of 4.0 with a plan of riding off into the sunset with it when the big switch occurs?
I believe the operative phrase you are looking for is : FREELOADER, oh Mr Shiny One. ^_^