Ok I might just be getting old, but what is with 12 year old girls dressing like they need to find a sugar daddy at the strip club?
I was at the mall today with some friends and my wife to be, and we all started to notice all the 11-teen year old girls going on 20-teen, in tube tops, low riders, high ride thongs, miro-minis, 3 coats of make up, and high heels. WTF!!!??? I know girls didn’t dress that way when I was 12 I wouldn’t have made it through Jr. High.
I’m not old. I’m in my early 20s, and I wanted to cover half these girls up! I like half naked women as much as the next guy, but NO not when they are 11-teen. What the hell is wrong with them? What the hell is wrong with their parents? I wouldn’t let my daughter (if I had one) out of the house looking like half of these doxys.
I want to say your 12 not 20 you don’t need to look “sexy” and it’s not “sexy” it’s trampy; go put on some normal jeans, a correct size shirt, and wash your face. Now you look like a kid go play with your My Little Ponies. Oh and here is a Cookie you need to gain some weight.
We also noticed guys too old, talking/hitting on these 11-teen year old girls which is a whole other can of worms. I know they are too young so I figure these guys do to. My fiancé and I really want to go up to these creepy guys and scream THEY ARE 12 LOOK PAST THE CLOWN MAKE UP, PUSH UP BRA, AND HIGH HEELS! DON’T BE A PEDOPHILE!
All this has lead me to believe that it should be a federal law that everyone must have an age identification tag pined on their shirt, and that you must be 16 plus to buy some articles of clothing.
Fizz
Fizz, you're not alone.
I'm probably the most liberal guy here (some might even say libertine), and some of the stuff the young girls are wearing these days is completely inappropriate. I'd never let my little girl (if I had one) dress like that.
More importantly, I hope I'd teach my daughter to know why she shouldn't dress like that.
Blame Paris, Britney and Lindsay.
I'm sure the Lord appreciates the credit, but I'm betting you deserve some too, DF.
I'm 17 and I find girls MY age dressing like that offensive, let alone girls that young. It's appalling that some girls seem to find it necessary to act like cheap street wh***s. Personally I blame our consumer society, it has created the "tween" craze for marketers and has allowed children of that age to be marketed to like this: "hey, you can walk and talk, everyone should treat you like god; now buy our stuff that'll make you feel older." A perfect example of this is the line of "Bratz" dolls; if you don't know what they are imagine a line of dolls marketed at tweens as a complete focus for expanding consumer society. Dolls marketed simply to market "doll x likes to go shopping for new clothes; buy our real line of new clothes fasioned after what she buys/wears". This culture is not limited to the girls either, you would not believe how hard it is to restrain myself from going over and telling off some of the kids who go around acting all tough as if they're real "gangsters", keeping in mind that they are usually only around 12 years old.
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I feel the same. I am constantly in fear of the day my daughter wants to dress like a trollop. I remember when I was in Jr. High all the rage was the skater look-- baggy shorts, t-shirts, Swatches, etc., and very tame by today's standards. At any rate, my parents strictly forbade it and sent me to school every morning in khakis and a button-down collar shirt. I promptly got to school and changed my clothes. I so hope my daughter doesn't do the same--I hope to remain open-minded regarding clothing styles, but if she wants to dress like Aguilera...
Any ladies want to chime in?
Funny, my girlfriend who's 37 and my mom, who would hunt me down and kill me if I said her age, were just talking about this about an hour ago, with the same opinion. It's pretty troubling all the way around.
My girlfriend works at a university and has had discussions with the students working for her about the sad part is that it can be tough to even find clothes just like all clothes used to be not too many years ago. The stores only selling things with lower and lower waists was the most common problem. She says this year's fall catalogs are finally starting to look a little more sane, though.
Seconding what was mentioned above, neither my mom or girlfriend are judgemental people. They're pretty big believers in people doing their own thing. But this is so off the charts, it's more like, what the heck is going on with these clothes for children?
I live adjacent to the University of Maryland and don't see much of this even from the incoming freshman. There's a little, but mysteriously it vanishes before the spring semester. On a campus with as many students as this one, seeing that sort of thing is quite rare. Of course, once I go to the mall it's a whole different thing. Truly sad, though . . . these children that have to find their own identities and do so by emulating such role models as Britney or Lindsey . . . regardless of age.
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Most definitely, it's the HS crowd--I don't see it around the University, where the norm is jeans and slacks...
Now that I really think about it, it's usually very young girls, obviously 12-16, who dress so provocatively; and it tends to be the mall and shopping centers where they hang out; and never a parent in sight. Maybe it's different in larger cities, or cultural centers like LA or NYC, I don't have a good frame of reference for that, and I don't participate in the Club Scene, so...
I personally put all the blame on parents, not on society or "celebrities" like the Hilton sisters. If the child grows up in a good home environment, she will be smart and informed enough to make the right choices when she is with her friends.
Everybody looks at the younger crowd and thinks what they are doing is outrageous though. These girls are not bright enough to realize that they are making themselves look like idiots and will grow up to regret it, even if it is their parents fault and not their own. It's sad.
Some of the problem may be with the idiots who order stock at the clothing stores. Some of the younger women at work were griping about how it's nearly impossible to find ANY women's jeans that aren't super-low-riders (you know, the ones that make them look like plumbers). I notice that when shopping for men's jeans, I've got to visit several stores before I find one that sells "normal" jeans for smaller men instead of those silly waist-around-the-knees waddlers (like, where a "size 30" waist would easily fit on a full-grown elephant). Clothing store people: just because I'm short doesn't make me a 13-year-old gangsta wanna-be!
As to young girls with caked-on makeup: their parents all need to watch Ferris Beuller again; specifically, the part when Charlie Sheen says, "You wear too much eye makeup. My sister wears too much eye makeup; people think she's a whore."
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This is something I hope to avoid when my girl grows up. Hopefully the days of baggy sweaters and baggy jeans are the rage when she gets to high school.
I blame parents and the marketing people for the crap that the kids do to be 'cool'. I shake my head when I she a pudgy girl with a pair of low-riders on with her gut hanging out thinking she's 'all that'. If she wore a style of clothing that actually fit her she would look better and probably feel better about herself and not having to wear the same crap the Paris Hilton wears.
:deep breath: Ok, I better stop before I really start...
OK rant time.
Fashion as a whole annoys the crap out of me. Pretty much my whole life, I've been looking for simple, normal looking clothing. Can you get it anywhere? Nooooo. Some ivory tower Mugato freak in Milan or whatever decides that everyone should wear pants that go to your knees or pink shirts with fake splatters of paint on them, or that little girl's clothes should be stripper chic, and then that's all you can get anywhere. All the cheap clothing stores carry whatever has been dictated to look cool that year. If you just want a fricken plain yellow T-shirt or some pants without a rip manufactured into them you have to pay heaps at some classy store coz all K-Mart or Target will have is the same "fashionable" crap. Just like everything else in our messed up culture it's all programed to change every year so idiots will buy new clothes every year, and people who want normal clothes built to last have to pay extra.
OK the point of that whole rant is that these little girls have no chance. Not only are they being deliberately targeted by marketing as everyone has said above (which I think is disgusting; targeting children for ANY product is tantamount to exploiting them I think. No wait, it IS exploiting them), but even if their parents WANTED to buy them something different to wear they probably couldn't afford to. It's just easier to get whatever your local giant mall is flogging to you than to seek out the classier option, especially when kids continuously grow out of clothes.
Fashion is pointless and in fact actively causes harm. I do not think it is a good thing. I wish we still had national costume g!%#~~mit, like everyone in Germany wore lederhosen and everyone in Australia wore a blue singlet and stubbies. It would just be so much easier. And you wouldn't have 11 year olds dressed as adults. And all those catwalk idiots would have to get real jobs instead of assailing me with skinny-leg pants and stripey shirts.
I agree. I blame both the parents (for not caring enough to inform their children) and corporate America (for preying on this ignorance and using it to create an image that no reasonable person can live up to, all to expand their bank accounts). It's not attractive to dress like that, it's idiotic. It's not just girls eitehr; there's the whole ganster thing going (so now it's 'cool' to dress like an idiot, talk like an idiot and follow an example of violent group of people?). I just attended a driver's ed course (yay, cheaper insuarance!) and I was appalled. I'm not only home-schooled but I'm also a geek and have absolutley no patience for whatever the latest trend is. I don't watch TV so I've almost no contact with what's 'hip' today so it came a something of a shock. We (myself and a couple of home-schooled geek friends) we're surrounded by forty teens who talked, dressed and acted like idiots. There was one kid who thought that it was cool to dress like some punk gangster/rapper, be disrespectful to the teacher, act out just to some attention, and be a general pain in the ass. Then they start smoking not thirty feet from the classroom door. What is today's youth* coming to? Sorry this degenerated into more of a rant about the state of American culture in general than an on-topic discussion. I agree with everything that's been said on this thread.
*While I am part of today's youth age-wise I'm about as far as you can get from being part of the hip crowd. I don't fit in with normals.
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Amen. I don't want to look like I robbed someone twice my size for clothes and then crawled through a barbed-wire fence! I just want simple pants that fit and a simple T-shirt that mabye says something witty and geeky.
Don't even get me started about putting nothing but a company's logo on a shirt so as to make all their customers walking advertisments.BTW, second hand clothing stores often have cheaper clothe that actually are somewhat reasonable.
Some of the problem may be with the idiots who order stock at the clothing stores. Some of the younger women at work were griping about how it's nearly impossible to find ANY women's jeans that aren't super-low-riders (you know, the ones that make them look like plumbers).
That is a huge problem, I am petite, and it is extrememly difficult to find jeans that don't show off the crack of my hynie whenever I bend over, even my true blue Levis are being lured into the horrid trend. Not only is it hard for me, but we recently went school clothes shopping for my seven year old daughter, and even jeans as small as that were meant to be thong baring. I'd like to say our grandparents went through the same thing when our mothers decided to wear skirts above the knee, but really, we know it's not the same. None of my girls are allowed to wear anything remotely like that. And I don't pull any punches when I tell them why. I do, however, tell every teen I see dressed like that, be it male or female, that their pants are falling down, in the same type of tone I would use as if I informing them about their zipper ;)
Fashion as a whole annoys the crap out of me. Pretty much my whole life, I've been looking for simple, normal looking clothing. Can you get it anywhere? Nooooo. Some ivory tower Mugato freak in Milan or whatever decides that everyone should wear pants that go to your knees or pink shirts with fake splatters of paint on them, or that little girl's clothes should be stripper chic, and then that's all you can get anywhere. All the cheap clothing stores carry whatever has been dictated to look cool that year. If you just want a fricken plain yellow T-shirt or some pants without a rip manufactured into them you have to pay heaps at some classy store coz all K-Mart or Target will have is the same "fashionable" crap.
tis called salvation army. that's what my parents did for me; cheap, wide-selection, easy to find plain normal clothing (noone want's em anymore, they aren't "fashonable").
I know that wasn;t the point of your rant but it really helps as a cheap way to clothe kids in a wholesome manner that is not gangster or sluttish.
Kind of off topic, but still vaguely related...anyone have any little Goths? Are you OK with it? To what extreme?
I've been wondering about that myself when the time for self-expression rolls around. I think I'm going to draw the line at body at school and body modification.
As for the Jean Benet crowd, someone needs to sit them down and tell them politely that the kind of attention they are drawing is not the kind of attention they really want.
Kind of off topic, but still vaguely related...anyone have any little Goths? Are you OK with it? To what extreme?
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Maybe it's different in larger cities, or cultural centers like LA or NYC, I don't have a good frame of reference for that, and I don't participate in the Club Scene, so...
Well, you're really blasted with the culture and advertising out here in the City of Angels (and presumably New York as well), not to mention adults by the score who dress and act trampy. But while I'll not share some of the truly shocking things I've heard come out of the mouths of obvious Tweenies trying to look and act older by dressing trampy and wearing lots of makeup, I have to say, the vast majority of kids I've seen and known out here seem to have their heads on straight, and dress and act perfectly normally.
I wish we still had national costume g!&+@#mit, like everyone in Germany wore lederhosen ...
Ahem. Not quite. lederhosen are a Bavarian thing, and have never been universal to Germany, luckily. Nowadays, it´s a traditional thing. Folks around here dress just like every other crowd, including kids dressing like they are grown-ups. And taking the likes of Britney Spears or Lindsay Lohan as role models? Including alcohol and probably drug abuse, and including being bulimic? Just great role models... And those fashion models being painfully thin, with several dying already from exhaustion, and those fashion creators taking of course no responsibility for it - it is as if they wouldn´t make outrageous demands on the models. Kate Moss´ "cocaine waif" look, anyone? It´s disgusting to me, I prefer "real women". And now anybody comes along and wonders why less-than-stable individuals develop a taste for kids being sexually abused? Small wonder, with all that media overload. That is not to excuse any of these disgusting perverts, but I don´t wonder anymore that this perversion seems to be on the rise, with little girls looking like whores, and models made to look like little girls.
Stefan
I personally put all the blame on parents, not on society or "celebrities" like the Hilton sisters. If the child grows up in a good home environment, she will be smart and informed enough to make the right choices when she is with her friends.
I agree, really (even though I was the one who invoked Paris, Britney and Lindsey).
It's not quite a perfect silver bullet, but good rearing can at least arm your child with the tools to make informed appropriate decisions at all stages of their lives.
That's not say they won't have problems or screw up, but if nothing else, they'll be better able to roll with the punches.
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Funny, my girlfriend who's 37 and my mom, ...
You should watch how you write that. It took me several attempts before I realized that you were talking about two different women...
Back on topic:
While it is true that parents are the "first line of defense" when it comes to children and their attitudes / personalities...
Society does play a major part.
America is, by far, way too hung up when it comes to sex in general. Now, I am not trying to say that anyone here is over reacting. What I am saying is that if sex was treated as natural, acceptable, and healthy (like it is) then when kids hit their rebellious stages it wouldn't be a prime target for it's "shock value."
And as far as big cities and fashion... By the time you see it outside of big cities, it has already gone out of fashion in big cities. I moved three hours drive outside of NYC, and the slang that has been dead for nearly a decade in NYC is still "in style" around here. (I have to work hard not to laugh in peoples faces.)
Kind of off topic, but still vaguely related...anyone have any little Goths? Are you OK with it? To what extreme?
I have a thread on Emo kids. We touched alittle on goth kids.
I think I should stay away from the mall. I think that brought that rant on to.
Fizz
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Kind of off topic, but still vaguely related...anyone have any little Goths? Are you OK with it? To what extreme?
I think little goth girls are adorable. I'm hoping to turn my 1-year-old into one, but I don't plan to heavy-handedly demand that she be goth. I would probably draw the line at fishnet stockings. There's no reason for anyone under the age of 16 to wear those... ever.
While it is true that parents are the "first line of defense" when it comes to children and their attitudes / personalities...
I am 100% sure parents are the first line of defense.
I bet the little tweens who have recieved enough TLC.
Who's parents arent at work all day of the week (or have the feeling they need to compensate for something else)
are the girls who don't wear that slutty clothes.
The kids who wear these clothes have the feeling they need to compensate for something.
As after all, Britney christina (or who else) wear these clothes too and they are 'respected' after all.
And/or the kids who wear this haven't learned the norms and values of society.
That the cant buy proper clothes is rubbish ofcourse.
That ain't the core of the problem.
Ofcourse Supply and demand move/make 'the market'.
If there ain't demand they will stop supplying too
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It's pervasive.
I was watching Eureka and Zoe (The Sherrif's daughter) was wearing what I thought was a revealing nightgown. Plunging Neckline and all. I'd checked her on IMDB before, as I like her and wanted to see her resume.
She's 15, 16 now. She shouldn't be wearing stuff like that.
Then again, I'm the guy that, even assuming, and later confirming that the oracle in 300 was of age (she's 26) knowing that the character was to be 13 was giving me the willies.
I used to work at a youth center on the beach, how can you tell a little girl not to wear her bikini in the center. Being arround that I am not shocked at all when I see girls in cloths, there not old enough for. What I am shoked about is the number of men who will hang out side a youth center. Yeah there in bikinis and on a beach ,but there hanging outside a youth center. There girls.
I haven't worked there in almost a year. But people keep me informed and they feel i need to regulate on some fools.
I used to work at a youth center on the beach, how can you tell a little girl not to wear her bikini in the center.
I live very near the beach.
When on a hot day after the beach my friends/girlfriends do a final drink at the cafe at the beach we will all wear shirts.Cause that's one of the first thing you learn.(from your parents)
If you go the cafe/restaurant at the beach dress proper.
It's all in the teaching.
It has to do with respect for yourself and also respect for others ofcourse.
See, but I want daughters, so I can raise them to be capable, thinking, self-assured women.
See, but I want daughters, so I can raise them to be capable, thinking, self-assured women.
I have taught all my girls, beauty only lasts so long, when it's gone, you'd better have a brain. It's only tv guys who like the brainless idiots, most men want to be able to have a decent conversation with a woman.
As far as goth goes, my college daughter (almost 21 now, dang I'm old) is borderline. Merlot colored hair, black everything including nails. She's done this since the young teen years. The way I look at it, she's not flaunting her body for attention, she's smart, she's comfortable in her own skin and she's not a criminal, doing drugs, or having unsafe relations. It's not the cover of the book that's important, it's the story inside.
It's not the cover of the book that's important, it's the story inside.
I agree.
I just recently went to a drivers ed class, (bieng a homeschooler, this was a new thing for me)and it seems like it is now "hip" and "with it" to act like you have an inteligence of 5. At times, I felt like I was in a classroom full of kindergardeners! My question is, why would you want to make people think you were so stupid, you couldn't even carry on a decent conversation? Most of the girls had the tight clothes and three layers of makeup, like they were trying to look older, but yet were acting like they were 6. Doesn't really make sense to me.
My problem is, why is every body wondering why Anorexia is on the rise all of a sudden. Take a look at the next "with it" girl with the super tight jeans and think a little. To keep those super low-riders up, the waist must be amazingly tight And what do really tight waists breed, that's right, belly rolls! No matter how skinny you are the only way they are going to stay up is if they are about as tight as a suspension bridge cable! Ultimate bliss for me is a tee shirt (preferably white, but any color works) and a fitting pair of jeans.
Ahh! Such bliss. Cloths that fit, what an experience!
Yeah. You're getting old.
Admit it. You did the same thing. Whether it's dressing weird, freaky, or revealing, it's all the same- young people attempting to get attention in the "wrong" way. The more appalled you are by it, the more likely you are not notice it(and the more likely it is going to stick around). Most people grow out of it. Some don't and end up on What Not To Wear. And in terms of blaming britney, cristina aguilera, et. al, I ask- how many of you grew up on madonna and janet jackson, hell, cyndi lauper? Come on. We've all been there before, fashionwise. Only the lyrics change(and even then, not that much).
And on a side note, someone above mentioned something about generations before deciding to wear skirts above the knee. My grandmother told me a lovely story of her best friend being beaten bloody (no exaggeration, this was panama in the '40 - '50's) by her father when he found out one day.
My grandmother told me a lovely story of her best friend being beaten bloody (no exaggeration, this was panama in the '40 - '50's) by her father when he found out one day.
I have no doubt. That would happen at our house if any of my sisters was seen in the get-up of today!
My grandmother told me a lovely story of her best friend being beaten bloody (no exaggeration, this was panama in the '40 - '50's) by her father when he found out one day.I have no doubt. That would happen at our house if any of my sisters was seen in the get-up of today!
This is not meant to exemplify or make her father sound cool. She almost lost an eye. This kind of behavior is not something to admire.
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I don't advocate younger girls wearing revealing clothes but I also do not support the number of people in this thread who are calling the girls whore/trollops/tramps.
Locking your sister/daughter in a closet or only letting her out of the house in a burlap sack DOES NOT fix the problem. She only learns that her sexuality is wrong and that she should always listen to Daddy, becuase he is a man and therefore right. Is that the kind of message that should be sent to our daughters? I thought we grew out of that mode of thinking.
Do any of you know how hard it is to be a young woman in this country? I'm 20. I grew up listening to the Spice Girls "Girl Power!" and Britney Spears dancing half naked. I lived through the beginning of low riders and reality television. We are told by society so many conflicting messages that I'm surprised that I've made it this far without killing myself. "Do your best! Be happy! Go to college and get a good job! Love your body! But, you've got to be pretty or else it doesn't count. No one likes a smart ugly girl. So go on a diet and become empowered!" (See the show "Ugly Betty" for more details) How is anyone supposed to know what to think? Good parenting helps. It sets up a solid moral basis. But it doesn't matter if your the best parents in the world. Once that girl gets to high school, she wants to have 'cool' friends and do things on her own. See the movie "Thirteen" for the rest of the story.
Granted, this is the extreme. When I was in high school, I didn't do whippets and then punch my friends for fun. Then again, I didn't really have many friends in high school but that doesn't mean I got out of high school unscathed. Quite the opposite. I do know, however, that once I left home and started going to college, it was the same thing all over again. Except, this time I had more friends and actually experianced what I always knew to be happening.
I don't care what people ten or twenty years older than me think. It's increadiably hard to be a teenager in today's US and I don't think it's going to get any easier. So be careful with your kids.
Locking your sister/daughter in a closet or only letting her out of the house in a burlap sack DOES NOT fix the problem. She only learns that her sexuality is wrong and that she should always listen to Daddy, becuase he is a man and therefore right. Is that the kind of message that should be sent to our daughters? I thought we grew out of that mode of thinking.
Of course you take it to the extreme now.
I believe the point of this thread is those young girls who are about 12-14 years of age(and show no self respect dressing this way)The girls of that age who dress, and try to behave like they are 18+.
And in that way showing no selfrespect (or at least the wrong self respect), and also atracting the wrong man.
As for the above quote.
That ain't the solution and all who posted here know that.
but there is a big difference to walking in a burlap sack and this lowrider stuff with thongs popping up above it.
And YeuxandI you being 20,
(in the states (or the wole western world for my part) must be hard.
but this thread isn't about adult woman.
He but you make the right choices i hope :) (this ain't meant offensive)
YeuxandI, honey, it's hard to be a teenager regardless of what era you grew up in. I was a teen of the eighties, and could never get my hair to poof right. All ages have peer pressure, and the "cool" kids. There were nerds and jocks in the fifties, and there will be so in the future. The most beautiful woman in the world will find a flaw in herself, the ungliest could be the most comfortable with herself.
Teaching our children to be strong on the inside may not help in high school as much as we would like, but in the long run, it counts for alot.
Teaching our children to be strong on the inside may not help in high school as much as we would like, but in the long run, it counts for alot.
It does, trust me on that one. I have never understood why people claim that highschool is so horrible, all you need is the ability to recognize true peer pressure and ignore it. So what if some people call you "uncool", by refusing them you set yourself apart from the crowd and by doing so can be seen as "cool" yourself. Admittedly, I am not female so I don't have the experience of those specific mixed-messages, but I believe that a strong sense of self is important at any age in creating a stable human being. In my unhumble opinion, many people are far too tolerant towards my peers (highschoolers) behavior saying that "oh, it's just hormones and peer pressure". It is also my experience that teens with caring parents turn out much better tan those with parents wo take that passive attitude.
*breathes deeply*
must stop before this becoems a rant on modern parenting practices.
*awesome post!*I don't advocate younger girls wearing revealing clothes but I also do not support the number of people in this thread who are calling the girls whore/trollops/tramps.
Locking your sister/daughter in a closet or only letting her out of the house in a burlap sack DOES NOT fix the problem. She only learns that her sexuality is wrong and that she should always listen to Daddy, becuase he is a man and therefore right. Is that the kind of message that should be sent to our daughters? I thought we grew out of that mode of thinking.
Do any of you know how hard it is to be a young woman in this country? I'm 20. I grew up listening to the Spice Girls "Girl Power!" and Britney Spears dancing half naked. I lived through the beginning of low riders and reality television.
I don't care what people...
I'm 22. I grew up with theses same things, and I AM the one that started this thread. It does suck, but being a teenager sucks most of the time; and, I have a feeling that all these people 20 or 30 years older than US were teenagers at on point.
I feel young people should know why they shouldn't dress that way not just not to dress that way. I think several woman on this thread have said it best on this thread about how they educated their daughters as they grew up, and didn't leave their rearing to TV.
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It is not exactly a revelation that being a teenager is the suckage.
Especially for anyone different from the "norm"... which last I checked is everyone who doesn't give up their own identity to be the norm.
But as for the issue at hand, no reason for tweenagers to be playing the part of the sexpot. I see my niece (age 12) in her bathing suit, and if I didn't know who she was I would never ever guess she was 12. Not 18 either, but there were no 12 year olds who looked like that when I was a kid. A two piece suit for a girl that age should have, oh i don't know, more material than a washcloth.
Same with the mall girls, and other things. As a society we need to get back to enforcing some morals on the public...
And as for makeup, don't make me start my rant about lipstick...
I don't advocate younger girls wearing revealing clothes but I also do not support the number of people in this thread who are calling the girls whore/trollops/tramps.
I don't advocate calling girls that either.
Saying that girls are dressing like that is I think a valid observation.
I am an anomally a conservative gamer - but my clothing tastes are particularly conservative. I do think certain clothing is not age appropriate - I think parents need to be more involved in some of those decisions. But I live in a world were kids are given money to go buy their own clothes and I understand the pressure on teens - I once was one - loathed it.
But the teen issue has been beaten to death - dressing provocatively may be titulating but it isn't, to me at least, attractive. It just shows the dresser (male or female) as lost - not an attractive characteristic.
The issue I really have though is adults trying to dress as if they were 20 something video stars - when their bodies are the last thing anyone wants to see. I wish people would dress appropriately for their body type, cause the flab roll or extreme push up bra - don't work. I try not to be a hippocri about it - I try to save the public by not wearing stuff that shows my belly or butt. I wish that all the other flabby, overwieght folks would have the same courtesy.
The issue I really have though is adults trying to dress as if they were 20 something video stars - when their bodies are the last thing anyone wants to see. I wish people would dress appropriately for their body type, cause the flab roll or extreme push up bra - don't work. I try not to be a hippocri about it - I try to save the public by not wearing stuff that shows my belly or butt. I wish that all the other flabby, overwieght folks would have the same courtesy.
Ah yes, but that comes down to being stong enough on the inside to be comfortable with who you are, and not caring what anyone else thinks. If you are dressing to please yourself, and you are happy with your looks or body type, to hell with everyone else. Dressing to please other people, or donning what you think others want you to wear...well, that's what started this thread. I wear faded old jeans with holes and cowboy boots, and I don't care if the lady at the bank turns her nose up, it pleases me (and I like the sound of the boots on the floor, yes, we all kow I'm a dork) If I see an overweight man with a half shirt on, I generally think "okay, not for me, but maybe his wife really digs it."