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9 months away but I'm sold! And a steal at only $40, should be just the menacing guardian I need on my bookshelf.
- Chris Shadowens
Can Orcus be Gargantuan? FCHOA says he 15 foot tall, however the picture on page 73 is way more than 15 ft tall.
When will the one for Demogorgon be available?
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Went to Toys-R-Us the other day and was looking at some of the dinosaur toys, thinking of my Savage Tide campaign and there was a set of 3 dinos there that had 2 that would be large sized per D&D and 1 of huge size. They had better detail in the sculpt and much better paint jobs.
$7.99 for the set.
Why the hell are we paying $40 for 1 demon?!?!
MacFarlane's dragons go way beyond the detail/paint achieved in D&D minis and are far more affordable.
Why the hell are we paying 2-3 times more for 1 dragon?!?!
One of the toy companies that makes some of these figures should expand there lines to include fantasy monsters (nothing copywrited of course) and start showing how to make REAL minis at a FAIR price.
Not to mention that D&D minis have no regard for scale (I have a dwarf that is taller than most of my human minis.).
Needless to say I will be Passing on the Orcus fig...
FH
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Can Orcus be Gargantuan? FCHOA says he 15 foot tall, however the picture on page 73 is way more than 15 ft tall.
I would imagine that, with their power levels, the demon princes and archdevils can be almost any size they want. Many of their most powerful aspects have been given CRs in the high 20s, and one or two have been in the 30s - easily as powerful as (or more so) than a great wyrm dragon.
I think that a Gargantuan Orcus is a marketing thing. He's Large in the BoVD.
I'll have to see a picture, but I'm sure I'll buy it anyway.
I'm open for commissions on custom minis... ;)
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Why the hell are we paying $40 for 1 demon?!?!
While I'm pretty sure you were just ranting, I'll answer the question anyway: Economies of Scale.
The cheap figures are produced in their millions and don't require much (if any) hand work. They don't require much hand work because they are produced in their millions and it's more cost effective to buy a painting robot (or whatever) for $NNNNN at the front end than to pay $0.N per figure for custom painting.
D&D minis (and the new Reaper plastic pre-paints even more so) are at the other end of the scale.
If you want a Pterodactyl, there are a few hundred thousand new kids every year standing in line for the same figure; you can amortize the cost of a big piece of equipment over time. The line for the Tendriculous (or Gargantuan Orcus) is rather shorter, and any fixed costs have to be amortized over correspondingly fewer figures.
If you think you have it bad with D&D minis, try getting a pre-painted Seven Years War Bavarian Grenadier in 25mm (for a fairly random example). The unpainted figure will run around $1.50 (more if you go for one of the premium casters); the paint job will run $2-5 for high-end wargame quality to low-end collector quality.
Why the hell are we paying $40 for 1 demon?!?!
MacFarlane's dragons go way beyond the detail/paint achieved in D&D minis and are far more affordable.
Why the hell are we paying 2-3 times more for 1 dragon?!?!
I agree that the gargantuan and colossal minis are far too expensive, though I might wind up buying this Orcus one.
I also agree that MacFarlane dragons are way better in detail and such. I have one sitting at my desk right now. It would be gargantuan in D&D, and could pass for a red dragon, black dragon, or half-red black dragon (or half-black red dragon, whatever you think).
I'm open for commissions on custom minis... ;)
Your Frost Worm is insane!
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I agree that the gargantuan and colossal minis are far too expensive, though I might wind up buying this Orcus one.
I also agree that MacFarlane dragons are way better in detail and such. I have one sitting at my desk right now. It would be gargantuan in D&D, and could pass for a red dragon, black dragon, or half-red black dragon (or half-black red dragon, whatever you think).
Yeah and I would imagine that those dragons would sell less volume than the WOTC mini dragons do. So that explaination that someone put forth stating that WotC minis cost more due to a more limited production run coupled with "hand painting" is hogwash. WotC just decided that they can charge ridiculous prices for a mini.
They seem to rather want to have less people pay more than have more people pay less. They are slowly pricing themselves out of the market.FH
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Yeah and I would imagine that those dragons would sell less volume than the WOTC mini dragons do. So that explaination (sic) that someone put forth stating that WotC minis cost more due to a more limited production run coupled with "hand painting" is hogwash. WotC just decided that they can charge ridiculous prices for a mini.
They seem to rather want to have less people pay more than have more people pay less. They are slowly pricing themselves out of the market.
FH
That somebody would be me. Imagine what you like; I'd put money down that McFarlane sells more of the large figures per title than WotC does. In addition, they sell more sculpts, which also results in economies of scale.
Feel free to look for a conspiracy behind every tree. If it's as easy as you imply to sell painted figures cheap, there's a market available. Start your business and I'll cheerfully buy your figures. I've seen enough people go broke selling figures that you'll have to look elsewhere for investors, though.
Disillusioned words like bullets bark
As human gods aim for their mark
Made everything from toy guns that spark
To flesh-colored Christs that glow in the dark
It's easy to see without looking too far
That not much
Is really sacred
Demonic plastic
A portly Prince of Undead
I hope he wears pants
Actually I hope they DON'T make this, and I've loved Orcus forever. I can see how he's more marketable than some other Garg. creatures, but they did Orcus already. I'd love to see a Roc, or a Nightcrawler if they're going to do more gargantuans. But, it's all about the coin...
I just want them to make a flumph...
I won't get this one, but I'm hoping for a Dagon I can put on my bookshelf...
Sorry to disappoint, but I'm pretty sure that this miniature has been cancelled.
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Yeah and I would imagine that those dragons would sell less volume than the WOTC mini dragons do. So that explaination that someone put forth stating that WotC minis cost more due to a more limited production run coupled with "hand painting" is hogwash. WotC just decided that they can charge ridiculous prices for a mini.
They seem to rather want to have less people pay more than have more people pay less. They are slowly pricing themselves out of the market.
FH
For every D&D colossal or gargantuan dragon we sell at the gaming store I work for, we sell a case of 12 McFarland's Dragons. They move, they are better sculpted (for the most part) and the same size for 1/2 the price (1/4 of the price if you wait for them to go on sale). The large dragon for each set is hit and miss (one will sell one and the next will sell 6) meaning that the public just doesn't want to spend $40 for one dragon, thus why Wiards changed the way they are pacakging the iconics (see how legends of Drizzit has 3 exclusive figures, not just one)
I got Legends of Dritzz or whatever for my birthday. I can't stand Dritzz, but the choices were to have Icingdeath, or the Great Wyrm Blue. The blue looks lame, the white doesn't, I chose to keep Icingdeath. Just don't tell anyone that I wanted an FR product.
Bad news! I just got this from WotC Customer Service:
The Dracolich is scheduled to be released in August; the Orcus was originally scheduled to be released in March but has since been put on hold.
Orcus seems to have gotten lost in the 4E sh!tstorm.
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Bad news! I just got this from WotC Customer Service:
The Dracolich is scheduled to be released in August; the Orcus was originally scheduled to be released in March but has since been put on hold.
Orcus seems to have gotten lost in the 4E sh!tstorm.
I guess I'll have to wait. My wife was talking about buying this for my March birthday. Guess she'll have to find something else.
Thanks for sharing the info!
I still want a Dagon.
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Didn't anyone tell you? Demons are evil. They make your kids turn to Satanism. With 4E coming out they cant have all there fanbase getting put in jail for sacrificing things to the Orcus Mini. That would prolly put a dampener on the Forgotten Realms Campaign setting sales. Dracoliches are fine though, they rank up there with My Little Pony.
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I also agree that MacFarlane dragons are way better in detail and such. I have one sitting at my desk right now. It would be gargantuan in D&D, and could pass for a red dragon, black dragon, or half-red black dragon (or half-black red dragon, whatever you think).
Hmmm. Could it be the Sorcerer Dragon from Season 1 or 2? :P
Didn't anyone tell you? Demons are evil. They make your kids turn to Satanism. With 4E coming out they cant have all there fanbase getting put in jail for sacrificing things to the Orcus Mini...
BWAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!
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I still want a Dagon.
You mean something like this?
You can still find them on e-bay once in a while but they are expensive. Same with Cthulhu, only more so.
Orcus seems to have gotten lost in the 4E sh!tstorm.
I thought it was one of the things they used 4e for: Make demon lords larger, put one on the MM, and sell the mini.
Now they put him into stasis. That's less money I save by not buying their minis.
The McFarlane dragons are awesome. Its too bad Orcus was cancelled, I would have bought him at borders; I got my collassal red for ~40 dollars with a 20% off coupon. Just go there about a week before your order comes in, buy some 10 dollar comics, and apply for their card. They give you a bunch of postdated coupons, which I use for my D+D books.
Darn. I would have bought those regardless of 4E or not.
The main problem (as I recall) was that a Gargantuan Orcus would not have been cheap. That's pretty scary because the rest of the Icons weren't cheap, and for Orcus to be prohibitively costed is just frightening. There were several posts (from Steve Shubert and Linnae) about this on Hordelings when Orcus was unveiled.
You can probably find the posts if you search for Gargantuan Orcus.
Of course, if I hadn't gotten the CRD at the Amazon "error" price, I wouldn't have ever gotten it.