It just hit me.
One of the possible conclusion of the Savage Tide is that Demogorgon got what he wished, in a way....
Aameul and Hethradiah get separated....but each only half of Demogorgon's former power, and each now occupied with trying to kill each other (and defend themselves from other demon lords hoping to take advantage of the situation).
Aameul and Hethradiah get separated....but each only half of Demogorgon's former power
Unless, of course, the Savage Tide is supposed to fuel the separation spell which instead makes two Demogorgons equal to his original power. What if he really is like a demonic Siamese twin and not a mutant with two heads.
Two of em might be able to kick everyone's arse.
Aameul and Hethradiah get separated....but each only half of Demogorgon's former power
Unless, of course, the Savage Tide is supposed to fuel the separation spell which instead makes two Demogorgons equal to his original power. What if he really is like a demonic Siamese twin and not a mutant with two heads.
Two of em might be able to kick everyone's arse.
I never thought of that. Perhaps he really IS a Siamese twin.
It just hit me.
One of the possible conclusion of the Savage Tide is that Demogorgon got what he wished, in a way....Aameul and Hethradiah get separated....but each only half of Demogorgon's former power, and each now occupied with trying to kill each other (and defend themselves from other demon lords hoping to take advantage of the situation).
I thought the same thing
I am unfortunately thinking we will need to leave Demogoron alive provided there is any other way to stop the Savage Tide.
Perhaps the Abyss can survive his loss but with two-face out of the way Orcus and Grizzet can fight it out for control without the third party getting in the way. If one of them wins without another Demon Lord rising to match their status that could spell doom for the Devils in the Blood War followed by the rest of the multiverse.
I am not sure that I agree with you on this, StevenO. As I recall, the Fiendish Codexes suggest that both Graz'zt and Asmodeus are involved in some major plotting to engineer a massive realignment of the Blood War into a good vs. evil conflict. Getting rid of Graz'zt's rivals may be the best way to ensure that these two can complete their "axis of evil" without intereference. Killing Demogorgon may play right into Asmodeus' plot.
Much diabolic laughter ensues.
I don't expect Savage Tide will result in the sort of huge, intrusive metaplot development that was common in 2E. Demogorgon's dethronement as Prince of Demons will probably be referenced in later supplements, but I don't think it will unduly affect the major campaign settings.
Certainly nothing to the extent of the spelljammers crewed by kender that descended into Athas towards the last days of 2E. Eberron must not go the same way as Athas.
I expect the final fate of Demogorgon will be left to the individual DM. She will still have an active cult and will have two powerful Aspects that continue to act on her behalf, and while there are rumors of her death or imprisonment no one really knows for sure if they are true or they are just a plot to lure out her enemies, so that she can outmaneuver them and crush them.
I don't expect Savage Tide will result in the sort of huge, intrusive metaplot development that was common in 2E. Demogorgon's dethronement as Prince of Demons will probably be referenced in later supplements, but I don't think it will unduly affect the major campaign settings.
Certainly nothing to the extent of the spelljammers crewed by kender that descended into Athas towards the last days of 2E. Eberron must not go the same way as Athas.
Holy crap. I did not think anyone else remembered that!
I am unfortunately thinking we will need to leave Demogoron alive provided there is any other way to stop the Savage Tide.
Perhaps the Abyss can survive his loss but with two-face out of the way Orcus and Grizzet can fight it out for control without the third party getting in the way. If one of them wins without another Demon Lord rising to match their status that could spell doom for the Devils in the Blood War followed by the rest of the multiverse.
Whatever the solution to the Demogorgon problem, it will involve allowing the lesser of two evils.
As I see it, the most probable solution will be fighting to keep Demogorgon intact and busy defending his realm while the party figures out how to permanently disable the production of black pearls.
Good times for all!
My prediction:
The epic-level PCs will arrive at the final chamber... the abyssal arena where Demogorgon, Orcus, Charon, Malcanthet, Iggwilv, Tenser, Asmodeus and Primus are all destined to have one massive battle...
And they'll all be standing around a birthday cake, yelling "SURPRISE!!!" at one of the PCs.
Fin.
tam-da-tam-tam-ta-tam ...IMMORTAL COMBAT...
Besides, it even has its very own "Your soul is MINE"
..and then some smartass can come and say: -I pity you sorcerer, all those souls, and still not one of your own.. lol
Certainly nothing to the extent of the spelljammers crewed by kender that descended into Athas towards the last days of 2E.
For real? Where / when did this happen? Was it in a novel or a sourcebook? My curiosity is piqued sir.
Thanks in advance.
I'm thinking that the PCs won't even directly need to combat Demogorgon, at least not for very long.
There's probably a device or ritual that will activate all the shadow pearls simultaneously causing the savage tide. The PCs will have to destroy the device or disrupt the ritual causing the destruction but not the activation of the pearls. This will have to be accomplished while Demogorgon is preoccupied with the invasion of outside sources. This way the staus quo is maintained while still accomplishing the mission.
Thus, the world is saved...salt water taffy for everyone. (And the crowd goes mild.)
The party arrives in the chamber of Demogorgon...and the chamber fades to black.... (insert your own cheesy ending)
I am unfortunately thinking we will need to leave Demogoron alive provided there is any other way to stop the Savage Tide.
Perhaps the Abyss can survive his loss but with two-face out of the way Orcus and Grizzet can fight it out for control without the third party getting in the way. If one of them wins without another Demon Lord rising to match their status that could spell doom for the Devils in the Blood War followed by the rest of the multiverse.
Whatever the solution to the Demogorgon problem, it will involve allowing the lesser of two evils.
** spoiler omitted **
Good times for all!
Personally, I think the actual aim of unleashing the savage tide on the Prime Material is to
As to what that means in terms of how the plan could be foiled - well, to be honest the status quo ante would be a win, as far as the PCs are concerned. Quite aside from the fact that if the Tide occurs then most of the world devolves into acidic cannibalistic madness, a Demogorgon with his ambiguities and weaknesses purged away would be at LEAST as dangerous as the current incarnation, and probably more...
I was thinking recently how much Obox Ob wants to regain the power he once had. I think the Savage Tide will end with the PC's thwarting the ritual and Demogorgon Is temporarily powerless so he can be brought back to the Wells of Darkness or Demogorgon Is victorious...kinda. Maybe Obox Ob will somehow find a way to interfere with the ritual but both he and the Big "D" get melded and transformed together creating a "King of Demons" but now going absolutely mad with unbridled rage and insanity!!! Demogorgon thought It was bad to deal with himself, Imagine If Obox Ob was melded with him? I can't even picture where that monstrosity would begin or end?
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