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Ok, so reading thru the Conan thread and a remembering a conversation that happened after watching Spider Man 3, I want to know...
Who do you think would win between SM & BM and why?
My opinion is Batman, he's just a badass and could hide some kryptonite in his utility belt.
One book: The Dark Knight Returns
'nuff said
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Everytime they've shown a Batman/Superman fight, Batman almost always comes out on top. He is almost always shown as being the smarter of the two and will usually have a plan in place to take down Superman.
However, in defense of Superman, I don't think he's ever used his full array of powers against Batman. In fact, there might only be a handful of opponents that Supes has "cut loose" on. Superman is often shown making a concious effort to "pull his punches" in order to avoid accidently crippling or killing someone.
In the end, though, it all comes down to who is writing the story. Still, my money is on Batman kicking Superman's ass.

Fizzban |

Batman all the way. Batman always has had this fear of super powered humans, and of Superman going rogue. He understands how superheros could enslave mankind if they got their act together, so anytime Superman gets upity Batman will be there with some kryptonite.
Batman: Hey Sup what's up?
Superman: Nothing I'm just going to fight a Super Villian Alien that can control people's mind and body.
Batman:-grumps stupid f~!$in S-curl mfer- Wait up I'll go to. (graps kryptonite for when Superman gets taken over because it's going to happen)
Fizz
Oh yeah Marvel all the way any how!!!!!!

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Justic League DCU
Wonder Woman: You keep kryptonite in your utility belt? Why?
Batman: Just in case.
As an aside. Superman beats Thor, Captain America beats the Batman. Even Batman admits that. I don't know if Deathstroke can take Cap or not. He beat the snot out of The Batman. (and I assume Slade knows who Batman is)
Hawkeye: "What a bunch of Squadron Supreme Wannabes!"

zahnb |
ummm, if supes "had" to fight Bats for real, then of course supes would win. It would go something like this...
Superman from orbit uses his t-scope vision, then uses his heat vision to kill bats.
done.
Now if Batman had all the time in the world to prepare and supes had no idea it was coming? then Bats.
Snipers always win.
Really, it's going to depend on the writer.

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At this point, I think it's basically a cliche that Batman always wins when they fight. In an early issue of Batman/Superman, this version of Superman came from the future and smacked Batman around a bit, and the sad part is that I was actually surprised.
Ultimately, it does depend on the writer, but Batman has been more popular with the writers since the '80's, explaining his great record.
One other point, about the fight in Dark Knight Returns...doesn't Batman "die" at the end of that fight? Sure, he pounds on Superman, who doesn't want to hurt him and is dramatically pulling his punches at least until Green Arrow shows up, but at the end of that fight his heart stops, and his plan to hide his continued life from Superman fails. If Superman wanted to, he could have ripped Bruce apart several times.
We will never speak of Dark Knight Strikes Again again.

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Depends on which Thing.
Green Hulk, no contest.
Grey Hulk? Ol'Blue eyes might be able to take him. Mr. Fixit isn't as strong, and pretty over confident.
The Professor/Merged Hulk? again, no contest, but a lot of style.
The Maestro, again, no contest, but Benjy dies horribly.
And I agree about the Mjolner vs Supes thing, but the Panel of Superman holding Mjolner in one hand, Cap's Shield in the other was awesome.
And Flash vs Marvel Speedsters depends on which universe.

secretturchinman |

Depends on which Thing.
Grey Hulk? Ol'Blue eyes might be able to take him. Mr. Fixit isn't as strong, and pretty over confident.
Not true there was a crossover of Hulk and FF(I wish I remember which issues)Mr. Fixit vs Spiky Ben and in the end Mr. Grimm was unconcious and Mr. Fixit went back to Marlowe. I am assuming for some nooky.

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Matthew Morris wrote:And Flash vs Marvel Speedsters depends on which universe.Hell no. Any marvel speedster would get torn apart by the Flash! Flash Rocks!
Until they run in the marvel universe, then Flash is hosed (No speed force for him to tap)
I'm not sure Impluse/Kid Flash/Bart is the speed force now, isn't he?

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Matthew Morris wrote:Not true there was a crossover of Hulk and FF(I wish I remember which issues)Mr. Fixit vs Spiky Ben and in the end Mr. Grimm was unconcious and Mr. Fixit went back to Marlowe. I am assuming for some nooky.Depends on which Thing.
Grey Hulk? Ol'Blue eyes might be able to take him. Mr. Fixit isn't as strong, and pretty over confident.
Well I said might...
Also depends on Ben's power level at the time.
*rereads* He beat Spike Thing? Ok, I definately stand corrected.
Poor Benjy...

Valegrim |

well, superman obviously if you got rid of the ideal of fair play; he could just vaporize batman from miles away with his heat vision; or throw an asteroid at him or something; sure, sups gave batman some kryptonite in case he ever went bad; but hey, only a foolish, overconfident sups would let him use it. guess it would really depend on who initiated the fight; I think whoever went first would win.

Valegrim |

well, the green hulk put the thing in the hosptial for a month or more so that one really isnt worth reconsidering. I have a comic where the Hulk casually backslapps PowerMan through about 4 skyscrapers; great drawing; knocked PM unconscious for a few days; really, only Thor can hang with Hulk in hand to hand unless you leave the earth domain in Marvel, I don't even think Juggy could match him, have they ever tussled?

Valegrim |

Sigh; someone is just silly; there is no way Superman could be Thor; sorry; besides Kyrponite; Supermans other major weakness is magic and Thor is magicm, as magic and has an awesome magic weapon though on a side note; perhaps Sups is both pure enough and strong enough to lift it. Heck; Thor could just whirl his hammer and throw Sups into another realm akin to the Phantom Zone just like Thor did to the Hulk once.

Valegrim |

Now; I would have liked to see Karnac fight Ironfist and either would be a great fight against Batman, I think Karnac has a slight edge with his ability (power) to find weakness and cut your defenses in half; and half; and half until you have nothing left, he is a much underrated martial artist and forgotten as just about all Inhumans are forgotten, not sure if either could take a full power punch from Ironfist channeling his Chi though as that even knocked down the Hulk; Bats has gadgets; that would help some.

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How about Rouge, the real xman not the movie wimp, vs wonderwoman? or some such lineup; I think Rouge is the Queen of the Ring if we count terrestrials only and even when you throw in a bunch of aliens.
I'm pretty sure she'd be able to take most of the makeup counter ladies at JCPenney's, but I don't know if she'd stand up to Wonder Woman... unless you mean ROGUE? ;)

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I'm pretty sure she'd be able to take most of the makeup counter ladies at JCPenney's, but I don't know if she'd stand up to Wonder Woman... unless you mean ROGUE? ;)
No, Rouge is a totally different X-man. She has the power to turn various shades of red, thus increasing her attractiveness by some marginal amount to some men, while causing others to call her a "harlot." She was a popular back in the 50's and teamed up with Captain America.
They tried bringing her back in the Ultimate Universe, but she was really more a composite of the original Rouge and Push-Up Bra Girl.

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Sebastian wrote:
They tried bringing her back in the Ultimate Universe, but she was really more a composite of the original Rouge and Push-Up Bra Girl.Didn't PUBG she eventually turn into a villainess by the name of Bullet Bra-ster?
Yeah, but it was later revealed that she was possessed by Mistress Mascara during that time.

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No, Rouge is a totally different X-man. She has the power to turn various shades of red, thus increasing her attractiveness by some marginal amount to some men, while causing others to call her a "harlot." She was a popular back in the 50's and teamed up with Captain America.
See, here's where I know you're making it up. In the 50's Captain America was frozen in ice at the North Pole.

KnightErrantJR |

See, here's where I know you're making it up. In the 50's Captain America was frozen in ice at the North Pole.
Oh Heathy, you are so behind the times. I think Joe Quesada has retconned this so that now, in the fifties, everyone thought Cap was dead, except the people that thought he was frozen in ice, but the Iluminati actually went back in time and decided that there were villains that needed killing in the 50s, so they thawed out Cap, replaced his brain with Bucky/Winter Soldier's, had him kill a bunch of people, have an illigitimate child with Rouge, and then they froze him back in the ice in time for the Avengers to wake him up.
Then Sentry slept with Rouge, and no one knew who the real father of the child was. After that, some mysterious woman kidnapped the child, and everyone forgot that she existed. Except Sentry, but nobody trust him because he's a headcase.

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Heathansson wrote:
See, here's where I know you're making it up. In the 50's Captain America was frozen in ice at the North Pole.Oh Heathy, you are so behind the times. I think Joe Quesada has retconned this so that now, in the fifties, everyone thought Cap was dead, except the people that thought he was frozen in ice, but the Iluminati actually went back in time and decided that there were villains that needed killing in the 50s, so they thawed out Cap, replaced his brain with Bucky/Winter Soldier's, had him kill a bunch of people, have an illigitimate child with Rouge, and then they froze him back in the ice in time for the Avengers to wake him up.
Then Sentry slept with Rouge, and no one knew who the real father of the child was. After that, some mysterious woman kidnapped the child, and everyone forgot that she existed. Except Sentry, but nobody trust him because he's a headcase.
You work for Marvel, don't you?

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You work for Marvel, don't you?
I thought everyone knew - KnightErrantJR is a clone combining the DNA of Stan Lee, Rob Liefield, and the Comic Book Guy from the Simpsons. He's planning a huge multi-part crossover this summer which will reveal that Captain America didn't die, Spiderman is a transvestite, and that Kitty Pride's clone is having Iron Man's love child. The big twist at the end is that it is an alternate timeline which is fixed by sending Bishop to the Kree empire with a bag of twizzlers and a bottle of malt liquor, except that a new bad guy, BADASSINATOR, makes it into the normal Marvel timestream.

KnightErrantJR |

I thought everyone knew - KnightErrantJR is a clone combining the DNA of Stan Lee, Rob Liefield, and the Comic Book Guy from the Simpsons. He's planning a huge multi-part crossover this summer which will reveal that Captain America didn't die, Spiderman is a transvestite, and that Kitty Pride's clone is having Iron Man's love child. The big twist at the end is that it is an alternate timeline which is fixed by sending Bishop to the Kree empire with a bag of twizzlers and a bottle of malt liquor, except that a new bad guy, BADASSINATOR, makes it into the normal Marvel timestream.
Damn it Sebastian, I thought you, as a lawyer, would understand confidential information . . . now we have to change it all and go with Plan B, revealing that Galactus is actually a construction worker and that the Surfer is really his son that has been staring into a snow globe pretending to see an alternate reality for the last few decades . . .
Oh, and I needed the Leifeld DNA to enable me to randomly add extra fingers and to allow me to draw huge man breasts on characters. Unfortunately I used to have Todd McFarlane's DNA, but the McFarlane DNA and the Leifeld DNA filed lawsuits against each other, which left Stan Lee and Comic Book Guy as the dominant personalities.
Plus its a b+& being a composite clone, because you start to have this uncontrollable urge to start yelling, "Cobra La la la la," whenever you get into a stressful situation.

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Heathansson wrote:I thought everyone knew - KnightErrantJR is a clone combining the DNA of Stan Lee, Rob Liefield, and the Comic Book Guy from the Simpsons. He's planning a huge multi-part crossover this summer which will reveal that Captain America didn't die, Spiderman is a transvestite, and that Kitty Pride's clone is having Iron Man's love child. The big twist at the end is that it is an alternate timeline which is fixed by sending Bishop to the Kree empire with a bag of twizzlers and a bottle of malt liquor, except that a new bad guy, BADASSINATOR, makes it into the normal Marvel timestream.
You work for Marvel, don't you?
worst....post....evurr.
anyone who knows anything also knows that BADASSINATOR is a clone of Lobo from....what universe? Oh. D.C. Thankyou, me.