what the heck, just wanted an excuse to start a new thread, largely because the Dragon forum is not as lively as the Dungeon forum, and this feature is a popular one. :)
i started this thread on a new messageboard where maybe only half the users are aware of the Demonomicon of Iggwilv articles and the upcoming Fiendish Codices: http://www.nutkinland.com/forums/showthread.php?t=157
hop over and give some input if you will! :)
back on topic.
i think Kostchtchie is about 80% likely to be featured next in Dragon #345, and failing that i'd say he's 100% likely to pop up sometime this year. :)
after him, i guess it's time to start moving on to the lords from ye olde Monster Manual II, and Planescape, and other even more obscure sources (old issues of Dungeon for example), as well as new ones that Erik and James have invented.
w00t! Demonz r tha roXXors!!1! ;)
Seriously, you're probably right about Kostchtchie. Has there been any word if the mag's continuing this feature after the release of FC1?
i certainly hope they don't intend on stopping. :)
FC1 augments the Demonomicon articles. There's no reason to stop doing Demonomicons once FC1 is out and about.
That's great! I was getting worried as there wasn't any mention, that I noticed, of entries past Kostchtchie. With your assurance, I have one less thing to worry about. Care to drop any hints as to which of the crazy cats we call demon lords might be next? :)
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That's great! I was getting worried as there wasn't any mention, that I noticed, of entries past Kostchtchie. With your assurance, I have one less thing to worry about. Care to drop any hints as to which of the crazy cats we call demon lords might be next? :)
FC1 augments the Demonomicon articles. There's no reason to stop doing Demonomicons once FC1 is out and about.
As in, the next one after Baphomet?
There have only been some four Demonomicon articles, and it's still one of the best recurring features to ever grace the pages of Dragon. Some of the most impressive writing ever, and I don't even mind the PrC that comes with it (in fact, they're usually quite good).
That said... I wish I had a suggestion, but all my favorites were either covered in the Book of Vile Darkness, or have appeared already. And I don't know too much about the old time demon lords.
But I'm just going to say, YAY FOR MORE DEMONOMICON!
As in, the next one after Baphomet?
indeed. :)
hey... is it getting cold in here?
And I don't know too much about the old time demon lords.
But I'm just going to say, YAY FOR MORE DEMONOMICON!
well apparently you wish to learn... and that's a step in the right direction.
>:D
I seem to remember the name Abraxas on one of the lists in the MM II, but without stats.
I don't think he's a likely bet for showing up soon, but I would love to see something about Abraxas in D&D because of his interesting real-world and literary history.
Abraxas' name is where the nonsense stage magician's magic word abracadabra came from.
Abraxas has also popped up in literature too, in Paradise Lost, if I remember rightly.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Demon_lord_%28Dungeons_%26_Dragons%29
according to that, he was Mentioned in Monster Manual II (1983), page 35.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Demon_lord_%28Dungeons_%26_Dragons%29
according to that, he was Mentioned in Monster Manual II (1983), page 35.
Yes. That list on page 35 of Monster Manual II was what I was referring to.
yay! :) i'm useful for something every once in awhile...
I also enjoy the Demonomicon articles very much; they have become one of most favorite articles in the magazine today
I also feel that the Dragon articles are much more in depth and enriching than the Demon Lord section of the Book of Vile Darkness and would like all those Lords (Orcus, Demogorgon, etc.) covered in the Demonomicon
If I remember right the old 2nd ed. Planescape Accessory “Faces of Evil: the Fiends” refer to almost two dozen Demon Lords (I wish I had it with me now)...a good place to find the next “Demonomicon”...if FC1 doesn’t cover them all (which I doubt it will with all the feats, prestige classes, toys, etc. that will be in it)
The Demonomicon articles are still the best way to cover the Demon Lords of the Abyss
agreed! :)
yep, Faces of Evil is a good source, though there were less than one dozen Abyssal lords discussed therein. introduced in that book were Alvarez, Eldanoth, Lupercio, Lynkhab, Pale Night (who was also mentioned in Baphomet's Demonomicon article in #341), and Verin. Also mentioned was a lord named Zzyczesiya, who was not detailed and was never mentioned again. ;)
Demons and Devils are great and all but im more interested in Yugoloths.
Wow, wish I had my books in front of me now to be more accurate...so bear with me for any mistakes ok?
Individually the Yugoloths (Daemons) are cool (except for that one with the one big and one little arm? Yagnoloth? Can’t remember the name and those stupid “battle/weapon ‘loths from that one article) but as a group they are less interesting and have less flavor than the Baatzu (Devils) or Tanar'ri (Demons)
There are really only two unique leaders of the ‘loths: the General of Gehenna and the Onioloth (that’s their names?) not counting the Baernoloths (are they in 3rd ed. yet?) and the ‘loth race is basically (on the surface) one big mercenary army that (below the surface) are the true puppet-masters of the Blood War....I think that any potential articles on the ‘loths would be more about new types or fleshing out the old ones...
There is an old Dragon article (from one of the Annuals I think) about the Night Hags of the Gray Waste and how they can build “Super ‘Loths” and it made it seem they are the real Lords (Ladies) of the Yugoloths...maybe some possible articles there...
i've heard that Erik Mona is not a big fan of the whole night hag/altraloth connection*. if, say, **someone** were to get an accepted proposal on such an article, the reference would best be used very little or not at all. ;)
*that is to say, he told me very explicitly. ;)
This thread brings makes me wonder again...how do you pronounce baatezu? Is it BAT-zu or bat-AY-zu? What about BAY-at-zu? Maybe it's in the handy-dandy pronunseeayshun guide in the Dragon Compendium. I'll have to chekc when I get home.
M@
I’ve never been a huge fan of the night hags either, I have always thought they were pretty overrated...but the altraloth connection did kind of make sense...
I find it hard to imagine such a relatively weak and uncommon race (compared to the demons, devils and daemon races) with no real divine patron (Celene isn’t really much of a goddess) could have a strangle hold on the larva trade in the Lower Planes and not get enslaved or subjugated unless they had an ace up their sleeves: the altraloths
Here is another idea, an article on the true native fiend species on Baator, the primal LE fiends the Baatezu took over...
This thread brings makes me wonder again...how do you pronounce baatezu? Is it BAT-zu or bat-AY-zu? What about BAY-at-zu? Maybe it's in the handy-dandy pronunseeayshun guide in the Dragon Compendium. I'll have to chekc when I get home.
M@
I say bay-AH-teh-zoo.
i've heard that Erik Mona is not a big fan of the whole night hag/altraloth connection*. if, say, **someone** were to get an accepted proposal on such an article, the reference would best be used very little or not at all. ;)
*that is to say, he told me very explicitly. ;)
Congratulations!
thanks, but it's a bit premature right now. :)
A very interesting read about demons is Erik Mona's own Armies of the Abyss where he mentions (in detail) over a dozen demon princes, including Anarazel, Abraxus, Haagenti (also mentioned in James's Zuggtmoy article), Malphas, and the wondrous Nocticula. Of course, some of the demon princes mentioned in that book (such as Eligor, Ipos, and Shax) are now vestiges in Tome of Magic , and there's nothing demonic about any of them.