But there's still one question you haven't answered. Who was the 'Interview with an Ex-vampire' guy? Was he who I think it was?
Bah; druids are not overpowered; Clerics are overpowered with all their mamby pamby spells; good armor; decent fighting; down with clerics; up with druids! I just might have to lock and load on the next sorry gm that tries to tell me (if I play a druid) that I cant turn into a bear cause I have never seen one; sheesh; as if the power isnt coming from a nature diety who certainly knows freakin simple @ZZ bear!
hehe now that is a rant :)
Gnomes are overpowered is coolness; yeah, they are way to cool for the game :)
thanks, Valegrim. at last, a kindred spirit!
Bah; druids are not overpowered; Clerics are overpowered with all their mamby pamby spells; good armor; decent fighting; down with clerics; up with druids! I just might have to lock and load on the next sorry gm that tries to tell me (if I play a druid) that I cant turn into a bear cause I have never seen one; sheesh; as if the power isnt coming from a nature diety who certainly knows freakin simple @ZZ bear!
hehe now that is a rant :)
Gnomes are overpowered is coolness; yeah, they are way to cool for the game :)
Well a bear of course.
I guess it is more of a rant against my player who has such a hard on for druids but doesn't really roleplay one just min-maxs the h*ll out of it.
But that it can be such min-maxed makes me leary of it as a class.
Personally, I hate the notion that anyone who can cast "divine" spells can do so without worshipping a specific deity. I used to, but will no longer, allow it in my games (well, sorta- druids get their power from a separate group of divinities than everyone else, which is one of the defining "fluffs" of the class in my games). Also, hold the player's feet to the fire on the roleplaying aspects and see how things change.
If the player is a min-maxer, then druids aren't the problem. He is (or rather, the problem is the clash between your play style and his). Any class can be munchkined.
... legendary apes...Is this report accurate, or simply an exaggerated rant? I ask because I think I remember a clause saying polymorph effects (such as wild shape) do not allow one to shapeshift into forms with templates. So, if he was getting away with things like that, I can see some of your frustration (and a quick way to fix it!).
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Is this report accurate, or simply an exaggerated rant? I ask because I think I remember a clause saying polymorph effects (such as wild shape) do not allow one to shapeshift into forms with templates. So, if he was getting away with things like that, I can see some of your frustration (and a quick way to fix it!).
Legendary Animals is not a template just like Dire Animals are not templates. (Monster Manual II)
In any case, the PHB does say specifically that a druid cannot wild shape into a creature that he hasn't ever seen before. I have yet to bring in a legendary animal in any of my campaigns yet. That doesn't mean that others haven't, but legendary animals should be just that -- "legendary". That should also mean that they are rare to the extreme.
Personally, I hate the notion that anyone who can cast "divine" spells can do so without worshipping a specific deity. I used to, but will no longer, allow it in my games...
Amen!
:)
Thanks for the info everyone.
I guess my player has just conveniently "forgotten" to inform me of some of the limitations (full round summoning, limits on abilities, type considered the same, items that don't function, etc.).
Though this does bring up a question. How can a shield be wild? I mean armour as wild, ok. But a shield? Why can't the fighter pay for an extra +3 on their shield but still get wield two weapons, gain the ac from the shield but not have it available for sundering or the like?
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Though this does bring up a question. How can a shield be wild? I mean armour as wild, ok. But a shield? Why can't the fighter pay for an extra +3 on their shield but still get wield two weapons, gain the ac from the shield but not have it available for sundering or the like?
I would love to see the character sheet for this guy.
Two weapons? I'm assuming that we are talking about a dire ape or similar. As I understand the rules, the druid would need to drop any weapons and/or equipment that they would actually want to use, wild shape into the ape, and then pick up everything and where it again -- including weapons. The dire ape's natural attacks are not all that great. So the druid normally is carrying two weapons and a shield. Then they drop their weapons, wild shape to get the benefit of the shield and pick up both weapons.
Any gear worn or carried by the druid melds into the new form and becomes nonfunctional. When the druid reverts to her true form, any objects previously melded into the new form reappear in the same location on her body that they previously occupied and are once again functional. Any new items worn in the assumed form fall off and land at the druid's feet.
I am assuming that either the druid has taken at least a multiweapon fighting feat to negate the penalties for using two weapons?
Ok, so assuming that the character has both wild armor (that is either hide or leather) and a wild wooden shield (each one is a +3 enhancement bonus to the price -- kind of expensive), and the character drops two weapons before wild shaping, and the character has multiweapon fighting, and the character takes an additional move action to pick up his weapons, ... well, I guess that by the RAW it is valid. A bit munchkiny, but valid as near as I can tell. He wouldn't get the benefit of any rings, amulets, cloaks, belts, etc.
Looking at a dire ape -- it has a 22 Str, 15 Dex, and 14 Con. He doesn't get any additional HP due to increased Con. Dex of 15 is kind of average. The 22 Str is probably right around where any fighter is at around 8-10th level. He gets a -1 to AC due to size. He gets a +4 to natural AC. In order to do a Dire Ape he needs to be at least 8th level. For simplicity, let's assume that he has Wild Hide Armor +3 and Wild Large Wooden Shield +3 (for 36,165 gp and 36,157 gp respectively). His AC becomes 26 -- 10 + 6 armor + 5 shield + 4 natural - 1 size + 2 Dex. By 8th level, my creatures are hitting this AC at least 50% of the time. It just doesn't seem that far out of line. As far as the to hit -- even if he has a couple of +3 weapons (pretty extreme at 8th level -- especially if he has two wild armor items) -- he has -1 size, +6 druid levels, +6 Str, +3 weapon -2 for two weapons (assuming he has two-weapon fighting). So we are now at +12/+7 to hit with the primary and +12 to hit with the secondary and he is at half strength with his secondary.
I guess that what I am saying is that unless you are allowing the character to be equipped like a god, then the numbers shouldn't be that far out of line. He definitely should not be allowed to wild shape into legendary creatures.
Also, keep in mind that the character doesn't get any extraordinary abilities -- like the dire ape's ability to rend or its scent ability. In addition, keep in mind the HD requirements -- he can't wild shape into any creature that has more HD than he has. Legendary Apes have 13 HD. He has to be a 13th level druid to wild shape into one.
Hope that this helps.
Glad to see some of the concepts are driving others alittle crazy as well :)
Actually he doesn't have any weapons as he wears a monks belt (giving a 1d8 dmg while in human form) and has 3 levels in war shapper PrC (giving him wild shape as a move equivalent action and bonuses to his wild shaped damage).
And I thought he would receive the extraordinary attacks of the form he took (rend, pounce, etc) but not extraordinary special qualities.
EDIT: And I have not allowed him to have access to legendary animals.
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Actually he doesn't have any weapons as he wears a monks belt (giving a 1d8 dmg while in human form) and has 3 levels in war shapper PrC (giving him wild shape as a move equivalent action and bonuses to his wild shaped damage).
If he isn't getting the benefit of the belt, then what is the problem?
I wasn't familiar with the prestige class before. Nice class. Number one thing to keep in mind is that that prestige class does not stack for class levels with regards to druid levels and what he can wild shape into. If it has the flash morph ability and changing into large animals, then he needs to be at least an 8th level druid/5th level warshaper -- 13th level character. The extra damage seems nice but probably not that overpowered. I have more of a problem with the prestige class giving a +4 to Str and Con for no reason and no bonus type -- so it would 'stack' with everything.
Wait -- "3 levels in Warshaper PrC"? How is he getting wild shape as a move equivalent action? He doesn't get that until 5th level in that prestige class.
And I thought he would receive the extraordinary attacks of the form he took (rend, pounce, etc) but not extraordinary special qualities.
My bad -- you're right.
Thanks all. I feel a fair bit better now that I am more informed about the limitations and such. The biggest thing is that he was sneaking in *ahem* I mean forgetting about, spell casting times (summons) and that his items didn't work while wild shaped (which will help drop his ac to a resonable level).
I might also disallow the +? wild shield. If he wants I'll allow him to change it to animated. What do you guys think?
Btw keep the info coming if there is any more.
EDIT: Thanks again Moff Rimmer. I think he was also "forgetting" that he doesn't wild shape as a 14th level druid but as a 9th level druid (as he must have 5 levels in that PrC).
PS I had already banned acouple of other druid PrC because they were over powered. (The one that grants fast healing, immune to crits, wild shape as many times as you want with in your maximum time frame, etc. & the one that allows you to change into non animal/plant/elemntals (golems, wyverns etc.).) Sorry I couldn't remember the names. They all are X shaping this or wild master that.
Personally, I hate the notion that anyone who can cast "divine" spells can do so without worshipping a specific deity. I used to, but will no longer, allow it in my games (well, sorta- druids get their power from a separate group of divinities than everyone else, which is one of the defining "fluffs" of the class in my games). Also, hold the player's feet to the fire on the roleplaying aspects and see how things change.
Divine magic is not given only by the gods, silly lizard, it is given by an immortal force. Yes, gods are an immortal force, but you'd have to be very pro-dragonlance to think they were the only one. Though there are the mystics... Anyways, I personally have a house rule that druids can't worship a god, as they need to be devoted to nature. Plus, clerics don't have to worship a god, or even a pantheon. A cleric can worship a cause. Why, I've often toyed with the idea of having a cleric devoted to frogs.
Now, for anybody thinking that this is a place to vent your anger, not to argue, this is my rant. I'm ranting against all of the people who hate druids, or the idea of druids not worshiping a god. However, I agree, this is not meant to be a thread for arguing, and as I do not want them to close the thread, let us end this argument, so that others may enjoy the thread for what is was made.|
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I might also disallow the +? wild shield. If he wants I'll allow him to change it to animated. What do you guys think?
Not really sure if it matters either way. It shouldn't be that big of a deal to let him keep it.
EDIT: Thanks again Moff Rimmer. I think he was also "forgetting" that he doesn't wild shape as a 14th level druid but as a 9th level druid (as he must have 5 levels in that PrC).
PS I had already banned acouple of other druid PrC because they were over powered. (The one that grants fast healing, immune to crits, wild shape as many times as you want with in your maximum time frame, etc. & the one that allows you to change into non animal/plant/elemntals (golems, wyverns etc.).) Sorry I couldn't remember the names. They all are X shaping this or wild master that.
Not a problem. You really need to re-read the War Shaper prestige class though.
1st level -- gains immunity to critical hits and stunning, and gains enhanced natural attacks.2nd level -- bonus to Str & Con
3rd level -- gains reach with natural attacks
4th level -- gains fast healing 2
5th level -- gains multimorph allowing him to change shape many times during each duration of wild shape.
All of the abilities ONLY work when the character is in another form. Since he doesn't have wild shape "at will" he does not get to wild shape as a move action. He does have fast healing and immunity to crits -- but since his AC is so low, he will need all the help he can get from me pounding on him.
They really fixed things with 3.5. Even the Master of Many Forms (Complete Adventurer) isn't that bad if the character doesn't get any real special abilities -- all they get is the creature's attack forms, AC and physical stats. A remorhaz isn't anywhere near as tough if you take away its fiery furnace stomach.
Darn all those PrC for druids with same names. That was actually one I banned. It is a different shaper PrC he is using.
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I think he was also "forgetting" that he doesn't wild shape as a 14th level druid but as a 9th level druid (as he must have 5 levels in that PrC).
If/When you figure out what the prestige class is, let me know. I'm curious now.
One more thing is the Druid levels. Most prestige classes don't stack with special abilities. This includes wild shape, but also includes spellcasting, animal companions, etc. If this is a 14th level character, but only 9 levels in druid, they are only casting as a 9th level caster, can only cast up to 5th level spells, their animal companion is that of a 9th level druid's companion, and so on. So he gets a 9d6 flame strike -- pretty weak at 14th level.
Ok, so here is the breakdown. I called my player and he told me:
True N, Druid 9/Natures Warrior 4/Warshaper 1
I am not happy.
I am thinking of having him write a new character. (And his friend too, who is playing a CN cleric 5/stormlord 9 of a CE storm/destruction god in a campaign where they are trying to take down a High cleric of Hextor who runs an empire. They clash with the CG arcane trickster and NG ranger characters in the party before they arrived. Note: these characters came into being because their previous ones died two sessions ago.) The druid used falshmorph even though he doesn't have the warshaper levels for it or the other prerequests. He has been adding his magic items as active even when he wild shapes. He had his summon natures ally take only a standard instead of a full round action. I would even have to check over his animal companion. Grrrrrrr
Am I right to feel this annoyed at having to police his character? Can I believe his (seemingly honest) statement of "ooops, I missed that" or "Oh, I didn't understand".
e is not a new player, owns many books, loves druids, researched the crap (supposedly) out of them and has been caught before with assumptions he hasn't rechecked. Ranging from true seeing being 10 min/level instead of the proper 1 min/level. To the fact the some spells have high material component cost (symbol of pain) not even going to the fact that it is an evil spell and he was a NG cleric of Pelor.
He doesn't double check or even check his details. How do I deal with a player like that? He loves playing but he just does it so badly.
By the way. Druids are not over powered, but some of their prestige classes are, most defently. It was frustration at my player that I mistook as at the class. My apologies.
Thanks again Moff Rimmer for the fact help.
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It was frustration at my player that I mistook as at the class.
I don't blame you. Players that I fully trusted I found out had all kinds of 'errors' on their character sheets. "How does your 10th level fighter have a +27 to hit?" I now take a MUCH more active role in checking over characters and in assisting updating them. In many people's defense, 3.5 is VERY mathematical and there are different bonuses all over the place that make keeping track of it difficult even in the best of times.
HOWEVER, that doesn't excuse your player. Simply reading the spell would go a long ways towards solving the problems. Assuming that he has abilities that he is (at least) 4 levels away from is wrong. The way I see it, either he has to be one of the laziest players/munchkins I have seen or he knew exactly what he was doing. (Personal opinion) DMs have enough to do without needing to police everybody's character.
After this, I would have a hard time letting him play any kind of complicated character until he could show me that he cares enough to read the rules. That pretty much rules out any spellcasters and most prestige classes.
I really hope that I helped. I'm with Sebastian -- there are rather few classes and even prestige classes that I have found that are truly broken in 3.5. 3.0 there were quite a few, but I really haven't come across too much that is terribly game breaking in 3.5 yet. There are a few things that experience has taught me to watch out for and I might have to alter a bit the focus of a few of my encounters, but most of the time the character classes are pretty well balanced.
What's this guys name? I think I kicked him out of my campaign...
Ok, so here is the breakdown. I called my player and he told me:
True N, Druid 9/Natures Warrior 4/Warshaper 1I am not happy.
I am thinking of having him write a new character. (And his friend too, who is playing a CN cleric 5/stormlord 9 of a CE storm/destruction god in a campaign where they are trying to take down a High cleric of Hextor who runs an empire. They clash with the CG arcane trickster and NG ranger characters in the party before they arrived. Note: these characters came into being because their previous ones died two sessions ago.) The druid used falshmorph even though he doesn't have the warshaper levels for it or the other prerequests. He has been adding his magic items as active even when he wild shapes. He had his summon natures ally take only a standard instead of a full round action. I would even have to check over his animal companion. Grrrrrrr
Am I right to feel this annoyed at having to police his character? Can I believe his (seemingly honest) statement of "ooops, I missed that" or "Oh, I didn't understand".
e is not a new player, owns many books, loves druids, researched the crap (supposedly) out of them and has been caught before with assumptions he hasn't rechecked. Ranging from true seeing being 10 min/level instead of the proper 1 min/level. To the fact the some spells have high material component cost (symbol of pain) not even going to the fact that it is an evil spell and he was a NG cleric of Pelor.
He doesn't double check or even check his details. How do I deal with a player like that? He loves playing but he just does it so badly.
By the way. Druids are not over powered, but some of their prestige classes are, most defently. It was frustration at my player that I mistook as at the class. My apologies.
Thanks again Moff Rimmer for the fact help.
A 19 year old woman dared to tell the press that she'd been gang raped by seven men.
Can't have that. They doubled the usual sentence for disobedient b!tches who whine about a little thing like gang rape. 200 lashes of a whip and 6 months in jail.
What's the year again? My calender must need winding.
A 19 year old woman dared to tell the press that she'd been gang raped by seven men.
Can't have that. They doubled the usual sentence for disobedient b!tches who whine about a little thing like gang rape. 200 lashes of a whip and 6 months in jail.
What's the year again? My calender must need winding.
???
A 19 year old woman dared to tell the press that she'd been gang raped by seven men.
Can't have that. They doubled the usual sentence for disobedient b!tches who whine about a little thing like gang rape. 200 lashes of a whip and 6 months in jail.
What's the year again? My calender must need winding.
~grumbles~ Yea. I read about that. Her lawyer was also jailed and disbarred too. Some justice, hmnnnn...?
Oh, guys... I'm sorry. I forgot to mention that this happened in Saudi Arabia.
Oh, guys... I'm sorry. I forgot to mention that this happened in Saudi Arabia.
I didn't believe you were serious. Good thing I can't despense the kind of justice I would like to. I'm nice but... that is totally unbelievable.
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RIYADH (Reuters) - Saudi Arabia defended on Tuesday a court's decision to sentence a woman who was gang-raped to 200 lashes of the whip, after the United States described the verdict as "astonishing".
The 19-year-old Shi'ite woman from the town of Qatif in the Eastern Province and an unrelated male companion were abducted and raped by seven men in 2006.
Ruling according to Saudi Arabia's strict reading of Islamic law, a court had originally sentenced the woman to 90 lashes and the rapists to jail terms of between 10 months and five years. It blamed the woman for being alone with an unrelated man.
Last week the Supreme Judicial Council increased the sentence to 200 lashes and six months in prison and ordered the rapists to serve between two and nine years in jail.
The ruling provoked rare criticism from the United States, which is trying to persuade Saudi Arabia to attend a Middle East peace conference in Annapolis, Maryland next week.
A State Department spokesman told reporters on Monday that "most (people) would find this relatively astonishing that something like this happens".
The court also took the unusual step of initiating disciplinary procedures against her lawyer, Abdul-Rahman al-Lahem, forcibly removing him from the case for having talked about it to the media.
"The Ministry of Justice welcomes constructive criticism ... The system allows appeals without resort to the media," said Tuesday's statement issued on the official news agency SPA.
It berated media for not specifying that three judges, not one, issued the recent ruling and reiterated that the "charges were proven" against the woman.
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Lahem was not available for comment.
New York-based Human Rights Watch has called on King Abdullah, who last month announced plans to overhaul the system, to drop all charges against the woman.
A series of erratic verdicts have focused attention on the Saudi legal system, which is dominated by clerics who adhere to the kingdom's austere Sunni form of Islamic law. Personal status law remains uncodified and the system does not recognize the concept of precedent.
(Reporting by Andrew Hammond; Editing by Caroline Drees)
King abdullah's black goatee looks so natural.
As for dispensing justice: where's an expert in Ba Ying Kuen when you need one?
EDIT: Drat, Archlich is too spiritually balanced to take the bait. Well, I guess it's up to me. Someone buy me a plane ticket so I can go slap those futhermuckers 'cross dey face.
As for dispensing justice: where's an expert in Ba Ying Kuen when you need one?
Well you sure as h*** surprised me by breaking that out.
Well you sure as h*** surprised me by breaking that out.
Mission accomplished!
New Rant. Matt Damon, sexiest man alive? I mean I know this is all PR machine BS but come on. Why do they pick stiffs like Patrick Stewart, William Devane, and Matt Damon to wear that crown? Find me the woman who agrees with that list. Well, don't actually find her. I have a feeling the two of us would have absolutely nothing to talk about.
If I may wax patriotic here for a moment, I feel confident saying that it's things like this that make us (Americans*), regardless of our thoughts regarding the roads our country has been going down the last few years, stop and say "Thank [insert entity you wish to thank, if any] I'm in America."
*I say America because it's my home, but to be fair, most of the rest of the Western world is deserving of similar praise.
Someone buy me a plane ticket so I can go slap those futhermuckers 'cross dey face.
Quite frankly, I think this world would be a much better place if there was some person or group around who did exactly this: administer prompt and sound smacks across the face. Anytime someone starts getting wonky, they show up, deliver the needed smack, and depart, assured that sense has been restored.
All in favor of founding the Council of Smackage, say "aye."
EDIT- Well, there was wind in my sails, but then Matt Damon and the Jade stole it. :(
You can't compare the gross injustice in Saudi Arabia with Matt Damon being called the World's Sexiest Man.
Clearly the latter is the greater attrocity.
You can't compare the gross injustice in Saudi Arabia with Matt Damon being called the World's Sexiest Man.
Clearly the latter is the greater attrocity.
I know! Year after year I am somehow completely shut out of that competition. I'll never understand how they decide these things. I mean, my god, can Matt Damon shave a heart into the hair on his chest like the world's sexiest Care Bear? I think not, good sir, I think not!
Matt Damon, sexiest man alive?
Ummm...no.
EDIT:
Shelly Mazzanoble. This woman's writing fills me with an irrational hatred, and a sincere desire to apologize and somehow correct others, lest they think that all Women Who Game are like that. I liken her to waking up with somebody you didn't want to, and you'd rather chew your arm off to get away than wake them up. I don't know where WotC dug up this chick, but she just...Grr...rr.r.w..r..s..r.r.r.r..rrrrrr!!!
*click click *snap* GRZZT*
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I am f!@%ing sick of seeing the “torture porn” thread jump to the top of my screen every few minutes. This thread is up to ten pages; surely anything of substance or value has already been said.
You want to keep debating it, fine, I’m not one for cutting off debate or dialogue. But can it continue in a thread with a less gratuitous, sensationalist and inaccurate name? I don’t intend to enter the debate on whether Hook Mountain goes too far or not, but if it is being accused of being gratuitous, is not this thread title doing the same thing? And whatever Hook Mountain is or is not, whether it goes too far or not, it is NOT torture porn (look up the definition on wikipedia, urban dictionary.com or some similar form of media).
What concerns me is not so much the debate (if you are uncomfortable with the content, fine, you have the right to voice that), but the mislabelling, and the implications of that.
There are a number of high school students who are regulars on these boards; I don’t think their parents are going to be thrilled with their association with this community if the phrase “torture porn” keeps being thrown about. Likewise, various members of this community have partners or belong to churches or whatever who may already not be that thrilled about RPGs and D&D – if they chance across (inaccurate and sensationalist) claims of torture porn in these products, things could become very difficult for these people to continue as members of this (or even the RPG) community. What it also tends to do is paint the entire range of Paizo products with the same brush, whereas the actual concern seems to be largely with one product. I can see people being told “I don’t want you to buy any more of this stuff if that’s what it contains” as a knee-jerk reaction to the hype surrounding this issue
Is this a valid concern? Am I just being reactionary? Would it be appropriate to request that the thread is locked and another with a less gratuitous name is started if there is value left in further debate?
I'm not trying to have a go at people with a concern about the content. I'm having a go at the term that's being bandied about.
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I agree. I don't think I even weighed in on it and I don't see much point. Beating a dead horse. I'm glad to see that everyone is shaky on what "torture porn" is, but it's an inappropriate reference to use when critiquing the propriety of something else. Does that make sense? The sensationalism on the subject is almost worse than the subject itself.
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I am f*#&ing sick of seeing the “torture porn” thread jump to the top of my screen every few minutes. This thread is up to ten pages; surely anything of substance or value has already been said.
You want to keep debating it, fine, I’m not one for cutting off debate or dialogue. But can it continue in a thread with a less gratuitous, sensationalist and inaccurate name? I don’t intend to enter the debate on whether Hook Mountain goes too far or not, but if it is being accused of being gratuitous, is not this thread title doing the same thing? And whatever Hook Mountain is or is not, whether it goes too far or not, it is NOT torture porn (look up the definition on wikipedia, urban dictionary.com or some similar form of media).
What concerns me is not so much the debate (if you are uncomfortable with the content, fine, you have the right to voice that), but the mislabelling, and the implications of that.
There are a number of high school students who are regulars on these boards; I don’t think their parents are going to be thrilled with their association with this community if the phrase “torture porn” keeps being thrown about. Likewise, various members of this community have partners or belong to churches or whatever who may already not be that thrilled about RPGs and D&D – if they chance across (inaccurate and sensationalist) claims of torture porn in these products, things could become very difficult for these people to continue as members of this (or even the RPG) community. What it also tends to do is paint the entire range of Paizo products with the same brush, whereas the actual concern seems to be largely with one product. I can see people being told “I don’t want you to buy any more of this stuff if that’s what it contains” as a knee-jerk reaction to the hype surrounding this issue
Is this a valid concern? Am I just being reactionary? Would it be appropriate to request that the thread is locked and another with a less gratuitous name is started if there is value left in further debate?
I have the same feelings that you do on the subject.
I don't mind that people are having a disagreement ofver the the content of Pathfinder. What gets me is the dramatic reaction some people are having based on said content. It's unreal. I might expect s@~+e like that to come from, say, Joe Lieberman or Hillary Clinton, but not my friends. It feels like a slap in the face when someone slaps a label like "torture porn" on a perfectly good module. It's not like they haven't seen the like of it. If they don't like it, great. Their problem. The problem with their problem is that they make their problems our problems. Big problem.
I agree with Mothman on the title of the thread. I understand that this is a very real concern with the module, but the title of the thread seems more like a bid for attention than a vote of that concern (I feel that that might look like "Issues I have with RotRL" or "Concerns about module X"). I'm pretty sure that that is not the intent of the author of the thread, but that's what it looks like.
I too agree with Mothman. Such a title is almost worse than the actual thing. Discussion is good but in this case such titles are really more shooting ourselves in the foot.
Also, if you don't like it, don't use it! As fgar as I can tell, the more 'mature' content in Pathfinder is fairly easy to remove if you don't like it. As far as I know (I have yet to read HMM) you can remove such material from the campaign if it offends you, at no great detriment to the story. If such content is gratutous and/or goes over the limit of acceptable than I would definitely prefer it not be included but if it is it seems like one could edit it fairly reasonable.
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Ummm rant, rant. Ah yes my rant. I'll keep it short and to the point.
People.
There it is, people. I freaking hate groups of them. Let me explain a little. I absolutely HATE people because overall they are arrogant, obnoxious, and many times borderline stupid.
Individual people on the other hand can be decent, intelligent, and polite.
All this explains why everytime I move it takes me six months to find one or two new friends. I have too weed out the ones who for whatever reason can't seem to develop a personality that can stand up to anything that consists of more pressure than, "Hey don't do that it's not right".
Damn, that felt better than I thought it would.
On a side note. I am not trying to offend anyone but I feel the following has to be said.
Let me state again I HATE people!
GUYS, I'm eating... please!
I have a rant. Why do people have to keep b$%%!ing about 4E endlessly? Can't they just f!+*ing wait and see? And while I'm on the subject of threads, some should just die, how many frickin times does a guy have to read the same thing?
OVER AND OVER AND OVER.
I have a rant. Why do people have to keep b!!@#ing about 4E endlessly? Can't they just f*!&ing wait and see? And while I'm on the subject of threads, some should just die, how many frickin times does a guy have to read the same thing?
OVER AND OVER AND OVER.
I too agree. I used to do the complaining but now I just throw comments around. I wait to see if I hate.
EDIT:
Shelly Mazzanoble. This woman's writing fills me with an irrational hatred, and a sincere desire to apologize and somehow correct others, lest they think that all Women Who Game are like that. I liken her to waking up with somebody you didn't want to, and you'd rather chew your arm off to get away than wake them up. I don't know where WotC dug up this chick, but she just...Grr...rr.r.w..r..s..r.r.r.r..rrrrrr!!!*click click *snap* GRZZT*
Normalizing blood pressure, please wait...wait...
wait...
I read that (since you conveniently linked it). And all I can say is "What the h3** was that?!?!?"
Was it supposed to be funny or serious or just drivel? If it was the third option then it succeeded marvellously.
I might have ranted about this before, but it really REALLY annoys me when big chain stores like K Mart or whatever check my bag as I leave. When did stores stop sucking up to customers and start treating them like thieves? I get severely angered by the insinuation that I may have shoplifted. I'm 30 years old for F's sake. It slows me down when I'm busy and makes me feel bad for quite a while afterwards.
I really need to rant about this but it's going to be long so I'll spoiler it for those calm souls who think I should just chill out.
I know they can't legally force me to, and one day (when I have a couple of hours to kill) I swear I'm going to refuse and then stand there while they call the police, check my bag, find I haven't stolen anything and then smugly say: "There, look at all the police time you wasted treating me like a thief with absolutely no justification."
I just wish there was some sticker I could get to put on my bag that said: "Hi! I refuse to be checked. Thank you and have a nice day! :)"
I don't know why it bugs me so much, I just... AARGH! *turns green with rage and devours K Mart sign*
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I might have ranted about this before, but it really REALLY annoys me when big chain stores like K Mart or whatever check my bag as I leave.
A friend of mine used to work for security at a Super Target. He said that the people you most had to watch out for were old ladies. They would fill up their cart, bag everything they got with bags brought from home and just wheel it out like nothing was amiss.
Unfortunately it's hard to tell the criminals from the honest people.