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I enjoyed Richard's backstory, although I did think he was older than they made him. It was a very well-written, and well-acted story, that even provided us with some interesting answers to several bits of the island story.
Even more than Richard's story, however, there was one part I thought enlightening....
Also, I can't help but think that Jacob has the power of wish granting , much like a genie. Can't bring back the dead, but he can give eternal life.
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With the statue being Taweret and not Anubis, this has lead me to wonder if the man in black/smoke monster isn't actually Apep/Set. This would make a little bit of sense. Descriptions of Apep being darkness, chaos, and embodiment of all evil. Since he claims mankind is full of it anyway, why shouldn't he be allowed to leave?
Descriptions for Apep go on to say the creature being a long snake and serpent like monster that can stretch up to 16 yards. Smoke monster kind of moves like that doesn't he?
This would then make Jacob the equivalent of Ma'at/Ra/whichever light egyption god, the force of good, justice, and morality, similar to what he described to Richard in the episode. He wants people to find their own way without himself having to step in after all.
The love MIB lost would be Taweret. Whatever happened to the goddess, I don't know. Taweret herself explains all the birthing problems on the island since she's the goddess of feritility and such things.
Just a working theory is all. Probably been discussed elsewhere but thats my thing.
This would make the crazed mother of both (they would then be brothers) Neith, who was a goddess of war and such. She also was that of water (which the island is surrounded by) and weaving (which Jacob is shown doing in his lair/cave/home thingy)
Theory
This is interesting, considering I know nothing about Egyptian mythology.
Another theory:
The Man in Black is not the evil that Jacob seeks to contain. It is the power source under the Swan (?) station, that is the true evil. It is the island that is "holding it in" and that is why the Losties had to push the button, to "save the world".
The Man in Black has been refered to by Ben (yes, I know he lies...) as a "security system" for the island. It's his job to make sure that nobody comes on the island and releases the evil. He is Jacob's muscle. Unfortunately, the Darhma Initiative came up with those confounded sonic fences and were able to keep the MiB at bay, long enough to tap into the power source/evil.
The reason why MiB wants to leave is that he's tired of being Jacob's watch dog and wants to go home. He used to be a human, but had been conscripted into this role. We was potentially a willing recruit, but not anymore. He's come to the opinion that there is no point in keeping the evil locked up because humans are inherently evil themselves. So why bother? Releasing it won't make much difference. However, Jacob needs him to see that humans are not inherently evil and that their "good" needs to be protected from the evil, so that the MiB will not abandon his post.
Greg
Regarding Richard's story...
Great episode last night. Awesome to have Desmond back!
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Yeah, Desmond has always been one of my favorites. For some reason, I really like the way he refers to every other dude as "brother".
But now I'm curious as to what exactly Charles Widmore intended Desmond to accomplish. A merging of the two universes? Or just to help contain Smokey.
Just 7 more hours of Lost to go (according to wikipedia).
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Best. Ending. Ever.
But in the end, I just love seeing Locke get his ass handed to him.
Oh yeah,
LIBBY!!!!
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Well, that was....interesting.
Maybe it has something to do with Smoke Locke trying to kill him on the island. Or maybe it's part of some master plan to keep Smoke Locke trapped on the island.
If, on the island, he's trapped in Locke form, then maybe he has to have Locke alive in the Sideways universe, in order to escape. What if Smoke Locke engineered the creation of the Sideways universe os that he'd have somewhere to escape to. That's why folks on the island (like Widmore) keep saying they'll all cease to exist if he escapes - because he'll go to the sideways universe, take the other candidates with him, and that will cause the island universe to be destroyed.
Well, that was....interesting.
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You're probably right, but that's not nearly as much fun as
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Rather, with Locke, I think he is either a) using the same trick that Charlie did to trigger Locke's consciousness (near-death experience) or b) trying to send him to the hospital to meet up with Jack.
I don't think it's revenge.
Greg
You're probably right, but that's not nearly as much fun as** spoiler omitted **** spoiler omitted **
Greg
I agree. But my way is still more fun. :-P
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I actually do think Des is aware and thats why he's special. The island needs him to do what he's doing for whatever reason.
... but I will say this now if next episode they show Des died by being tossed down the well, I'll rage so hard. It was bad enough they took away Mr. Eko but Des is my favorite Losty.
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Very interesting episode last night...
Also happy to see that maybe, just maybe, Claire can be brought back from being bat-s!*! crazy.
I sincerely hope that Jack isn't really going to side with the Smoke Monster.
Also, does anyone else believe that Desmond is still alive? They didn't show him actually being killed, so it seems obvious. But, in the exchange between Des and Sayid, it reminded me of the whole "don't let him talk to you" thing. Could Desmond already be a reborn Jacob?
Lastly, WTF is up with Widmore? Is he a bad guy, or a good guy. First he makes a bargain with Sawyer to fight Smoke Locke, now he betrays the candidates? I have a feeling that he does want to prevent Smoke Locke from leaving, but only because he wants to (a)not cease to exist, and (b) either regain his rightful place as leader of the others, or take Jacob's place himself.
It was a good episode. Of course opening with a replay of last weeks ending has nothing to do with my enjoyment. >.>
I'm pretty sure Des is alive. Hope so anyway, but I still think Jack will be New Jacob. Which is why he needs to be near Not Locke. Jack and Locke have been the Polar Opposites through the entire series. It just won't feel right to me if it comes down to any other two players.
But even if I'm disappointed with the end, it's a hell of a ride. :-D
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It was bad enough they took away Mr. Eko but Des is my favorite Losty.
I really like Desmond too. Keep in mind that the actor that played Eko asked to leave (I think there was something about not wanting to live in Hawaii or something?) so technically, they didn't "take" Eko, he left:)
Also, speaking of Eko ...
Just got caught up last night on Lost and
Finally up to date.
Lastly, WTF is up with Widmore? Is he a bad guy, or a good guy. First he makes a bargain with Sawyer to fight Smoke Locke, now he betrays the candidates? I have a feeling that he does want to prevent Smoke Locke from leaving, but only because he wants to (a)not cease to exist, and (b) either regain his rightful place as leader of the others, or take Jacob's place himself.
Bad guy. Always a bad guy. He's an Other - all the Others are bad; horribly, completely, irredeemably evil. That much has been made absolutely clear all the way from Season 1.
The wonderful thing about the temple smoke-monster attack was that it eradicated almost all of the Others. A fitting end for one of the most obnoxious aspects of the show. Their deaths made me feel good, and made suffering through seasons 3-5 almost worth it.
Whoa...
Yeah, that pretty much covers it.
I'm all sad, excited and pissed off at the same time.
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Sayid's death was a huge surprise to me.
Well, not so much his death as the means of it. I thought he'd gone over to Smoke Locke, and become corrupted. But here he died as a hero, directly opposing Locke, and sacrificing himself for others. While I can't say for sure what it means, it certainly implies Locke's control is nowhere near as complete as he seems to think, and it also has some good implications for Claire.
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Just watched the episode and OMG. I want to smack the writers that was one of the saddest moments in the entire series for me.
Tell me about it.
That Smoke Locke is one devious and clever sonofabeeyotch.
FraaaaaAAAAAaAaaaAAAAAaaaank!
I think everyone is going to die on that rock, except Jack who becomes the new Jacob. Theres no way they can fly that plane off the island.
Following that 'logic', does that mean that Jack dies in Alterna-world to draw everyone together and they all have a massive deja-vu?
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Also, it seems that being in love is a BAD THING on Lost. No one that's been in love has had a good end.
I swear after all this BS Hurley (my favorite character) better have a good ending. And for that matter I would like to see Kate and Desmond have good endings too.
Charlie's dead. No one deserves a good ending after that. :^(
Well, except for Hurley. I'll give you that one.
I swear after all this BS Hurley (my favorite character) better have a good ending. And for that matter I would like to see Kate and Desmond have good endings too.
If you mean by Kate's good ending, that she dies horribly, then I agree.
WTF!
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Psst... you have the genders backwards. But, yeah I was thinking that as well.
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Psst... you have the genders backwards.See, that scene made me so angry, I temporarily lost control of my pronouns. :)
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WTF!
Edit: I mean, seriously. Sun knows he can't save his wife, so rather than leaving to protect the life she brought into the world to carry on when she's gone, he just commits suicide! So all that remains of his wife in the world gets to be raised by a total stranger!
WTF!
I didn't have any problem at all with this. They had just spent years struggling to get back to each other and I'm sure in the despair of the moment, there wasn't a thing on either of their minds besides the other.
That said, Ji Yeon is being raised by her grandmother (not a total stranger), which is pretty much what Jin would be if he made it out alive. The world thinks Jin is dead - Sun told them as much when they were rescued the first time and Ji Yeon has never known her father. And although Jin knows he has a daughter, its only at a distance, seeing her thru photos on a digital camera. His wife, who he has worked so hard to find again, is here, now, dying and she needs comfort.
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Wow, last night's episode was....weird.
At least now we know...
Seems smokey was trapped down there with the light, and Jacob throwing his brother down released it. I guess those other times (like with Richard and on the beach watching the ship arrive) that Man-in-Black was just the Smoke Monster taking his form.
Overall, I think that episode just raised even more questions.
Still processing.
I'm assuming, at this point that the Island exists mainly (solely?) to be a prison of sorts for Smokey. So, I'm sure much of the next 3 1/2 hours will finally explain what it really is... maybe.
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** spoiler omitted **Psst... you have the genders backwards.See, that scene made me so angry, I temporarily lost control of my pronouns. :)
I don't watch Lost, but this reminded me of the scene in the Mummy Returns
I wish this was mine but Im quoting from elsewhere:
"Now we know where Marcellus Wallace got the light for his briefcase."
In my head, now LOST is tied into the Tarantino universe. All we need now is for Oy or Blaine the Train to show up and my mind will be exploded!
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Wired Magazine did a great article on LOST in their last issue. It's 8 pages long, so make sure you click all the way through. Especially check out the awesome graphic on the 5th page.
Regarding the Smoke Monster and No-Name
But some others think No-Name died outright and his death released the Smoke Monster.
So what do you think? Same being or 2 different beings?
I still gotta say I think the Monster is No-Name.
The mother said she made it where they cant kill each other. That rule still applied to Jacob and Smoke Monster. Thats why Ben had to be conned into doing it.
And I dont remember what episode but Smoke Monster in his No-Name form or Locke form (I dont remember which) said he used to be human once.
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Regarding smoke monster:
(1) The monster was trapped under the island and Jacob throwing his brother into the cave freed the monster, but it still couldn't leave the island.
(2) Smoke Monster is the result of the fate worse than death that Other Mother spoke of. When Jacob allowed his brother to float into the cave, it separated the brothers spirit from his body - transformed the spirit into what we see as the smoke monster, then left his body where Jacob found it.
So, I'm inclined to go with theory #2. Maybe the island had both good and evil at it's heart, life and death, etc. Other Mother embodied both, kind fof like one big yin/yang. Jacob was supposed to as well, but when his brother was drawn into the cave he absorbed the evil and became the smoke monster.
Oh, for f~!%'s sake. There's stupid, and then there's stupid.
Light cave? *rolleyes*