And speaking of Lost... since they now have access to a perfectly good abandoned village, why the heck are they still living on the frickin' beach? I think this puzzles me more than anything else about the show.
When I saw that episode I was barking at the TV over that very thing. Ludicrous and unambitious writing that shows little concern for the veiwers' intelligence. It would have been very easy to simply add an element such as Juliette lying and saying the ground there is radioactive now.
After seeing the first few I thought they were waiting in limbo for judgement. But then it got naysayed as a theory by the producers (and producers never lie, right?). Problem is... they're revealing the afterlife theory right now... which means that's most likely not it.
If they are dead, it becomes harder for me to actually care about them because they are using too many elements from the Cheryl Ladd/Kris Kristofferson movie Millenium.
Perhaps the show really is a metaphysical version of Gilligan's Island where getting back home actually means earning one's way back to Earth from the afterlife. Getting back to the mainland is metaphorical. They're Lost in metaphor. Perhaps the others have a way of reaching agents back in the real world, and occasionally travelling back (until the 'sub' was blown). Why would anyone stay in the afterlife? Perhaps because there the mystery of what lies beyond and what has gone before to solve. And perhaps there's a certain degree of immortality there (despite the necessary surgeries and the ability to kill people). If this theory is somehow true then did Walter and Michael, father and son, earn their way back to life through betrayal, and if so, are the others not truly wicked?
Not being able to make new life in the afterlife would explain why no one can get preggers on the island. Why the mother's die I'm at a loss to explain.
A good script, 35mm film, and a bango production value involving some use of polarized light (yes, even in sunny Hawaii) could help make for a compelling Lost movie. However ratings are slipping a bit, aren't they? Perhaps they should have struck while the iron was red hot.
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If they are dead, it becomes harder for me to actually care about them because they are using too many elements from the Cheryl Ladd/Kris Kristofferson movie Millenium.
Great. Thanks for ruining it for me. I've been waiting, like, thirty years to watch this movie, but somebody keeps renting it at my local Blockbusters.
Totally being sarcastic here.
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Actually, I do find it kinda hard to discuss my theories & stuff on this board, because I don't want to spill the beans for someone who might have, for example, TIVO'd last Wednesday's episode but hasn't watched it yet.
I do wonder, however, if it isn't some kind of SUPER-intricate revenge plot put together by a mastermind that all of the 815'ers somehow inadvertantly affected through their actions (before the crash.) Has anyone seen Oldboy?
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Actually, I do find it kinda hard to discuss my theories & stuff on this board, because I don't want to spill the beans for someone who might have, for example, TIVO'd last Wednesday's episode but hasn't watched it yet.
No problem - just use the spoiler tags around the good stuff. Click the spoiler button below for further instructions.
If they are dead, it becomes harder for me to actually care about them because they are using too many elements from the Cheryl Ladd/Kris Kristofferson movie Millenium.
Great. Thanks for ruining it for me. I've been waiting, like, thirty years to watch this movie, but somebody keeps renting it at my local Blockbusters.
Totally being sarcastic here.
Lol had me worried.
Anyone think Jacob the ghost may have been captain of the Black Dog (or whatever that pirate ship is named)?
News off the wire: After months of complicated negotiations with NBC the executive producers of Lost announced an end date. The show will end in 2010. There will be three more 16 episode seasons. That means they'll have plenty of time to get to the point and cinch up a good ending. One hopes.
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There is a picture out there that actually shows Jacob, and it looks just like Locke with hair.
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Also, whose funeral do you think Jack attended? I think it was Locke's, but my wife thinks its Michael's.
There is a picture out there that actually shows Jacob, and it looks just like Locke with hair.
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I agree with your spoiler comment completely. But then, I find that movie and TV do this all the time of late. They desire a certain ending, but rather than construct a scene with believable characters and motivation they force contrivances that defy logic. They don't earn the ending they want. I don't know what's happening out there in script land, but writers worth their salt should know better. If they wanted X to X in the X they could have easily arrived at that outcome in a way that made complete sense. Pure laziness.
BTW, I'm thinking your wife may be wrong because the person she chose has family and no one showed.
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Last night's season finale was great. Lots of stuff going on, and some more intrigues and questions have arisen.
Although I have to say that I'm glad Mikhail (spelling?) survived. I've come to like him as a character.
Sawyer killing Tom - HOLY S+~@!
I also noticed future Jack's comment about his father. Very intriguing!
I think the funeral being Michael's is possible. It was the future, maybe by that time he wouldn't have any family. The reason I say it might be him and not Locke is that I just don't see Locke allowing himself to be taken away from the island. Of course, I also don't see Jack shedding many tears over Michael.
Hurley saving the others on the beach - awesome!
Jack beating the crap out of Ben - another HOLY S$&+!
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Oh how truly awesome when pieces come together. Why did hurly get the van running? so he could use it to save his friends!
And the bodycount... 12 confirmed 3 possible (Charlie, Naomi, and Mikhail)?
As for the funeral, given the neighborhood I would bet on Rose, Michael, or Walt, and probably it is Rose. Taking her off the island was a death sentence with cancer.
I just gotta say wow, still wrapping my head around the whole thing... So much just changed in the show.
You guys know where this is going, right? Now that we know 'alot' about Ben and his gang, they have become more humanized (from our point of view anyway). They hurt, they bleed, they can be fought...
So now the writters are snuffing out the present threat (the others) and they're going to replace them with an even bigger threat... Someone even the others fear. These bad guys will come instead of the rescue they are waiting for. And we'll have to discover the who, where, why all over again.
Also, I agree with the bunch of you that say that it was Lock's funeral that Jack attended. He's pretty much the only one that has no ties to the 'real world'... Then again, it could of been Ben's.
Something else... Couldn't Charlie just swim out of the porthole? It seemed big enough to me. Or for that matter, why prevent a flood by closing the door? Why not just let the place flood and leave (swim back to the surface? Something ain't right here...
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Charlie's death was lame, especially after last weeks bit with the list and Desmond. But, I also think it was good that Charlie just gave in to Fate and Death ("Death has a way of correcting these things...") by accepting the fact that he was meant to drown. Why fight it? He's getting everyone rescued and redeemed himself to himself.
The Sneaky Russian is a damn CYBORG.
I don't think Locke will allow himself to be taken from the island, so I don't think it was his funereal. Michael is a good thought. My gut said Sawyer until Kate met up with Jack, so I think that's a no go.
Who are the other others? And where was Penny transmitting from?
Regarding Charlie's death, I don't know if we got a good look, but I'm wondering if the locks on the door were only on the inside, so if they couldn't lock the door shut from outside the room, then it would have flooded the station, eventually. The only way to save Desmond, then, would be to isolate the room.
But then, if they could get down, why couldn't they go up? Unless the flooding of the station would've made it unstable and impossible to get out? A fair bit of guesswork there.
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Upstairs may have not meant the next floor up, is all I can think. A deliberate red herring to trick us into believing the scene set at a certain time.
I wouldn't assume that Kate is with Sawyer now. The show will undoubtably have her marry Worf from STTNG. What if she's with Locke and Sawyer betrayed everyone and that was his funeral?
personally, I bet he will be back
As what? A buoy in need of a shave? ;)
I am just going to say wow . . .and . . .damn, i hate having to wait the whole summer
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Dragonmann, I bestow upon thee mine first spoiler ever on Paizo. Ooo, the suspense.
Chollie is likely to return in Walt status... but Locke's wounds are a different animal. Locke didn't return to his feet as some mystical voice of the island. We saw that the island was still talking to him. Still allowing him to heal all injury. If Chollie (the Aussie's pronunciation) returns he's probably going to intone prophetic dictates to Hurley, the Scot, the Australian lady... but probably only as a familiar face to make the island's voice less threatening, as in the end of Contanct with Jodie Foster.
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I am betting he will be found washed up on the shore 2 or 3 days later, however many episodes that takes...
Alternatively if cyborg-Mikhail survived the concussion from the grenade (and why not he survives everything else) he could pull an unconcious charlie out the hole.
Speaking of the incredible unbreakable Mikhail, anyone notice he has a closed socket where his missing eye was, not an open one. Goodbye theories the glass eye from "The Arrow" belongs to him...
Another question, why has Richard (Batmanuel, for all you Tick fans) not aged a day in 30 years? And does anyone except Ben and Locke see him?
edit - NM - Forgot he was the one that recruited Juliet.
I'll bet Nestor Carbonell didn't age because he was a pirate of the Black Rock and he personally never has. Remember how he was dressed when he met Ben in the wildnerness? The island has its protectors... and those protectors seem to be The Others. They're a cold lot, to be sure, but they are listening to the will of the land through their prophet Ben who listens to his prophet Jakob; and seperated from the rest of the world the island's voice is the voice of God so far as they're concerned. Their blunt and unemotional adherence is kind of Old Testament. Dharma must have posed a threat. The Newcomers will pose a threat. Those sensitive to the voice like Locke, Ben, and perhaps even Jakob... they will always believe they know what must be done and are likely to often execute their beliefs with heartless precision. Locke blew it by not shooting that walkie talkie out of the I-can-no-longer-stand-to-watch-your-bs-for-even-a-minute-longer doctor's wang beater.
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Although I have to say that he is quickly becoming one of my favorite Others. Not only is he an effective combatant, and practically unkillable, but he is also pretty damn smart (I read that they guy who plays him actually speaks like 8 languages). I think, of all the Others, that Mihkail is the only one that Ben might actually be afraid of.
No spoiler here, but was anyone else bugged by the EXCESSIVE number of commercial breaks? I actually timed it. We'd get 6 minutes of episode, then 2-3 minutes of commercials. Rinse, repeat. They broke this pattern once, during the climax, where there really wasn't a convenient stopping point. I know they have to make money, but come on...
No spoiler here, but was anyone else bugged by the EXCESSIVE number of commercial breaks? I actually timed it. We'd get 6 minutes of episode, then 2-3 minutes of commercials. Rinse, repeat. They broke this pattern once, during the climax, where there really wasn't a convenient stopping point. I know they have to make money, but come on...
It was ridiculous. 500 90 second spots in a two hour show. This entire season pulled that crap. Way to pull me out of the story so I can't properly suspend disbelief during a show about the paranormal.
The fact that the show is now going to be on to 2010 is a bit of a drag for me. Some episodes this year were not needed I'd wish they start cutting all the wishy washy bull clutter to just get this story out there. And they cut it back to 16 episodes(Which is gonna remove those "filler episodes" starting in feb 08! Now give us the back story on the Ship the Black Rock!
and the four toed foot. and the magic turtle.
and the four toed foot. and the magic turtle.
That rings a bell but I can't remember why? Help?
'four toes' was the best line from the Sayid/Sun/Jin incursion into Other's territory on the stolen Desmond yacht. "Im not sure which is more disturbing - - that the rest of the statue is missing, or that it only has four toes. ..." Which was never addressed again. Im sure there will be some sort of forced writing (like the VW bus or Chollie's -spoiler-)
'magic turtle' is from my link on pg 1 of this thread to a Youtube vid about the "Writers of Lost". I still think they use the methods described in that vid! LOL!
'four toes' was the best line from the Sayid/Sun/Jin incursion into Other's territory on the stolen Desmond yacht. "Im not sure which is more disturbing - - that the rest of the statue is missing, or that it only has four toes. ..." Which was never addressed again. Im sure there will be some sort of forced writing (like the VW bus or Chollie's -spoiler-)
'magic turtle' is from my link on pg 1 of this thread to a Youtube vid about the "Writers of Lost". I still think they use the methods described in that vid! LOL!
Oh yeah! I remember that statue and that "writers of Lost" skit. Good stuff. Thanks.
Four-toed statues may mean a Tommyknockers rip-off to come. No wonder Stephen King loves the show and the writers so dearly love Stephen King.
Anyone think that the newcomers are the Dharma Initiative?
Anyone think that the newcomers are the Dharma Initiative?
Man, you are just astute is what you are. What a wild idea! That never crossed my mind. They had heaps o' money before, surely held in mainland banks. Surely not all of them were on the island during the mass murder.
Perhaps what Dharma wanted to do there was to take over the world or end it. The others are ruthless pawns of the island's own agenda. Frail additions to its defense mechanism, which also include the black fog.
By the fourth show I'd considered the Tommyknockers premise rip, and I'm gonna have to stick with it for now.
Anyone think that the newcomers are the Dharma Initiative?Man, you are just astute is what you are. What a wild idea! That never crossed my mind. They had heaps o' money before, surely held in mainland banks. Surely not all of them were on the island during the mass murder.
Perhaps what Dharma wanted to do there was to take over the world or end it. The others are ruthless pawns of the island's own agenda. Frail additions to its defense mechanism, which also include the black fog.
By the fourth show I'd considered the Tommyknockers premise rip, and I'm gonna have to stick with it for now.
Alas, the medium of forums does not allow me to thoroughly pinpoint if you are being sarcastic or not. If you are engaging in some sarcasm, I know not why -- I simply proposed what I imagine to be a prevalent theory in order to get some feedback on it.
If you are not being sarcastic then, well, ok, then. Ignore my above response.
Here is a quick question -- if the newcomers are the Dharma Initiative, how were the able to drop food and aid on the island, but unable to find it otherwise??
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It seems likely, based on one significant clue, that Naomi's people are the Dharma Initiative. In her first encounter with Desmond, Charilie, and the others, she says something in Portuguese to Mikhail. When the Losties ask him what she said, he says "She says thanks." In fact, a direct translation of what she says is "I am not alone." It's possible she's referring to others on her boat, but it's also possible she is reacting to Mikhail's Dharma jumpsuit.
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Does anyone have any thoughts on what the heck that Jacob thing was all about?
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Alas, the medium of forums does not allow me to thoroughly pinpoint if you are being sarcastic or not. If you are engaging in some sarcasm, I know not why -- I simply proposed what I imagine to be a prevalent theory in order to get some feedback on it.
If you are not being sarcastic then, well, ok, then. Ignore my above response.
Here is a quick question -- if the newcomers are the Dharma Initiative, how were the able to drop food and aid on the island, but unable to find it otherwise??
It has been explained to me that I am incapable of interpreting when people are being sarcastic with me, Rogue. Perhaps subsequently I find that I rarely employ sarcasm. It was a sincere compliment. Your idea blew my mind and I wanted you to know is all. I would have surmised sincerity based on my backing up your theory logically over those next few sentences.
It has been explained to me that I am incapable of interpreting when people are being sarcastic with me, Rogue. Perhaps subsequently I find that I rarely employ sarcasm. It was a sincere compliment. Your idea blew my mind and I wanted you to know is all. I would have surmised sincerity based on my backing up your theory logically over those next few sentences.Alas, the medium of forums does not allow me to thoroughly pinpoint if you are being sarcastic or not. If you are engaging in some sarcasm, I know not why -- I simply proposed what I imagine to be a prevalent theory in order to get some feedback on it.
If you are not being sarcastic then, well, ok, then. Ignore my above response.
Here is a quick question -- if the newcomers are the Dharma Initiative, how were the able to drop food and aid on the island, but unable to find it otherwise??
All well and good then. No harm, no foul. Chalk it up to my inability to be empathic, I guess :p -- here is a question then for you fellow lost fan -- if it is Dharma, how could they not find the island but still be able to drop off food packages? I really think it is Dharma, but this fact is bugging me.
Once again sorry for the misunderstanding.
Any theories (other than him being a vampire) on why it appears from Benjamin's flashback that Richard hasn't aged a day since Benjamin was a kid?
Above I mentioned that Ben seemed to be the character that interacted with many of the different characters before they got on that plane... but the way they've written even since, the interconnections between everyone are growing and growing. I've not a clue.
All well and good then. No harm, no foul. Chalk it up to my inability to be empathic, I guess :p -- here is a question then for you fellow lost fan -- if it is Dharma, how could they not find the island but still be able to drop off food packages? I really think it is Dharma, but this fact is bugging me.Once again sorry for the misunderstanding.
Apology accepted but uneccessary. You thought you may have been getting picked on and you asked for clarification of intention in a polite manner. If only we all acted so responsibly when our spidey senses began to tingle. There's countries that don't exist on the map anymore because some people thought they heard their names coming up in someone else's hushed conversation.
Good question about the Dharma food drops. Perhaps the others have been impersonating Dharma (by explaining that it has become necessary to go radio silent) but now the jig is up and Dharma now understands that there's been a complete incursion/bloodbath.
Anyone tried an RPG adaptation of the show? At two local cons (DunDraCon/KublaCon)they ran a Cthulhu/LOST crossover but I haven't heard any reactions to it.
Late January/early Feb...I think.
Heh...Thanks Panda!
During the first season i thought lost was a cthulu show...with them just being secretive about it.Anyhow ...the funeral..it was Bens ofcourse.Jack and them made him hang around for noamis people and they brought him with them.Thats why noone was there..Ben has no family, Jack went to his funeral because hes obsessed with the island and Ben was a link to it.
Personally im kind p-ed off about the season finally.They spent three seasons trying to get off the island and now were going to have to watch three seasons of them trying to get back.Lame.Hope im wrong on that.
Lame.Hope im wrong on that.
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