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James Jacobs responded to a similar question (to me, I think) regarding levels in settlements. The individual shop/NPC levels are for interactions, not earn income tasks, e.g., if you get into an influence encounter, use the NPC's (or store's) level.


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If your players are earning income *every week*, then they should have much more than they need (and they'll usually be working on tasks 2 levels higher with bonuses).

Mine have had more loot than they know what to do with since book 1 (and still do at the end of the AP).


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Divine Mysteries: page 289
Greater Esoteric Spellcasting should be 10th level. It is listed alphabetically between two other 10th level feats, Cursebreaker and Open the Blazing Eye. Additionally, its explanation says that "gain a
4th-rank spell of that tradition as an innate spell you can cast once a day," followed by "At 12th level, you gain a 5th-rank spell" implying that you already have the 4th-rank spell when you reach 12th level.


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As for the cantrips, I've literally got that page up in the PC and read right over it. No idea...


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Good point on the feat. Particularly true since the archetype doesn't have any other feats that high, or higher.


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Maybe these should be in the errata thread. Regardless...

First, the Esoterica methodology says "In addition, choose one common cantrip from the divine spell list and one common cantrip from the occult spell list. You can cast those spells as innate spells at will."

Was it a mistake that no mention of auto-heightening is made, or is that the intended mechanism? If it is, the addition of the cantrips is pretty weak - most of them are useless at higher levels.

Second, the feat Greater Esoteric Spellcasting says "Also, choose a tradition from which you can cast innate spells due to the Esoteric Spellcasting feat. You also gain a 4th-rank spell of that tradition as an innate spell you can cast once a day. At 12th level, you gain a 5th-rank spell, and at 14th level, you gain a 6th-rank spell, both of the same tradition."

Well, since this is a 12th level feat, that just means you get a 4th and 5th level spell when you take the feat. It reads to me that this was intended to be a 10th level feat, but something got missed. Am I wrong?


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Hate to resurrect an old thread, well, not that old, but now we know more about the threat. I'm about to take my group through all three "episodes." I'm going to take James's suggestions and introduce mythic for Sandpoint. This is gonna be fun.


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AkaYuki wrote:

Hey Pathfinders, I have made a map for the Hellstorm Flume. I have a vague idea of running Seven Dooms, so I have made this thread to share in case I actually complete any of the others soon. If anyone else has made maps for Seven Dooms, feel free to share them here too.

Hellstorm Flume 150dpi Gridded

Hellstorm Flume 150dpi No Grid

FYI, you have to be a member of deviantart to download the image. I love the work, but I can't use it. FWIW, I'll be there in a few months...


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Absolutely. Emerald Spire was cool, but got boring quickly.

But I still liked it - I just can't see how every AP would benefit.


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It's been discussed. The problem is the cost of artwork for a product that really only appeals to GMs, basically 20% of the customer base. Doing so would also put limits on the maps themselves because there's no practical way to package large ones without breaking them into sub-sections.

Btw, Emerald Spire had maps for every level, which were neat, but all fit into the same dimensions.


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Dr. Frank Funkelstein wrote:
taks wrote:
"When you Cast or Sustain a hex, your familiar can curse a creature within 15 feet of it, prolonging the duration of any negative conditions affecting it by 1 round."
Difficult to extend a spell that needed 3 actions, unless somebody else casted it.

At the start of your next turn you cast Patron's Puppet - a free action hex, before any ongoing durations tick down.


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"When you Cast or Sustain a hex, your familiar can curse a creature within 15 feet of it, prolonging the duration of any negative conditions affecting it by 1 round."

Mine is a raven. And he floats around willy-nilly cursing everyone (even friends if they piss him off).


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Resentment witch enters the chat...


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Ah, yes. That would put a damper on most spells (I assume single action spells would be OK, and some hexes).


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Not trying to throw fuel into the fire, but a lot of this confusion is cleared up (IMO) by readying an action. That way you don't have to sacrifice your current turn entirely, but you still get the effect you desire, which seems to be "after my fighter guy goes, I drop a fireball." Or whatever.


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Yay... now that we're almost done with it. That's OK, I'll still get it since it's part of the Adventure Subscription. Will be fun to compare.


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But becoming magical doesn't. Right.


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Yet they were explicit with the construct ability in that it replaces the animal trait. ‍*shrugs*

Edit: the shrug emoji didn't come out right.


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The effect doesn't inherit the magic trait, so even that would be questionable, in spite of the description.

Note that the construct ability (not a feat) does inherit the construct trait.


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I would not consider them magical for the same reason golems are not.

Finoan wrote:
I am also struggling to find a scenario where it would make a difference. They aren't spells, so you couldn't counterspell them - or even use Recognize Spell on them.

If they're magic, they can be suppressed with dispel magic or similar.


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Finoan wrote:
Because they get Shield Block by default?

Which I don't understand. They're only trained in simple weapons, so they're not really expected to be in melee often enough to justify shield block.

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It isn't exactly the hardest thing to houserule in if you feel like you need it.

Yup. Hell, replace shield block with it if you feel it necessary. I may give my players options since I actually like the new druid and hope someone plays one in an upcoming adventure.


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Well, hell, I didn't even notice this!

Tech Update!

Consider my questions answered... for now. ;)


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The digital content page needs an overhaul. Different products are scattered around under various unrelated headings. For example, clicking the "Lost Omens" filter check box yields several 1st Edition APs, two distinct "Paizo: Campaign Setting" entries (huh?), and finally "Paizo: Setting," which is actually Lost Omens. Why not "Paizo: Lost Omens," and only include actual Lost Omens products?

Then, sometimes, every entry will expand itself, and the last time that happened, it took me over an hour to collapse them all (yes, I've bought a lot of products the last 10 years). Maybe a "collapse all" and "expand all" check box would be helpful.

Edit: mostly I think better categorization of various products would be a huge benefit. I'm not currently interested in downloading any 1E products, for example, so it would be nice if I could really isolate only 2E, and know that I got all of them. As is, I have to search through the whole page every time I want to check something...


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I'm really only interested in Harrim, Octavia, and Regongar, since I play them the most in the video game version and like their mix. They provide a good cover for situations that I typically have to play anyway when we're down to only 3 players.

Harrim's story is... interesting, but I agree that you could easily tie him into the dwarf fortress in some other manner. Not necessarily in the same semi-suicidal way he's portrayed in the game. Maybe the fortress is part of his family history, retold as myths or legends that he remembers from his childhood, but the details were lost over the years. Perhaps some gear uniquely tied to his past needs to be recovered once the fortress location is known, a fabled weapon only members of his family can benefit from (well, plus something for the party, too). In a nearby burial mound, or similar.

Octavia and Regongar could take a bit of thought. I wasn't a huge fan of the Technic League angle, FWIW. I can see them as a couple of adventurous fools that set out on their own and managed to get themselves caught by some torturous tribe ready to sacrifice the two of them to some obscure demi-god. Regongar is arrogant and Octavia is reckless, both unaware of risks they face on their own.


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You should be able to just print across multiple pages with a zoomed image. I typically print maps like Willowshore across 4 pages, all in landscape mode. Then cut them with an Xacto knife (only 2 sides, such as right side and bottom) and stich them together with Scotch tape (avoid the shiny stuff).


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Is it just me, or is the progression broken?

If you take the Runelord Archetype, you have to take the Runelord Dedication at 2nd level, which means you can't take the 4th level feat Aeon Resonance at 4th level*, because you didn't take Embed Aeon Stone at 2nd level, which means you can't take Aeon Resonance until 6th level, but it's the only dedication feat at 4th level.

What am I missing?

*Demiplane doesn't ever offer Embed Aeon Stone, not even later at 4th level, which is also broken, but that's another issue.

Edit: Nevermind, I see now that it's also a SKILL feat, which has to be taken at 2nd level as well.


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Cool. I'm looking at using these, too. We won't be starting till after we finish Season of Ghosts (painfully slow), but I intend to spend a ton of time on this up front.


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Solomani wrote:
I did suggest they earn income, but all but 1 pc scoffed at the idea. /shrug.

That's literally baked into the chapter - one preparation activity and one regular downtime activity per week. A simple roll, once per week. I think Souls at War has pegged the issue.


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You're not having them earn income every week?

Even without earning income, my party (I'm the GM) has more than WBL tables suggest anyway. I did find Quest for the Frozen Flame to be lacking, but that was more about the type of AP it is (survival, really).


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Run an NPC for the 4th player - it's not difficult for research only. The way this adventure is structured, every PC should be contributing.

Pay attention to the topic of this thread, too: https://paizo.com/threads/rzs4un90?SPOILERS-Book-2-Researching


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Sorry for the late reply, but thanks! We STILL haven't gotten to this due to player availability. Hopefully in a few weeks.


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Week 10:
The text for this entry says:
Quote:
During the following week, each PC can Prepare for the Feast three times, but doing so prevents that PC from having the time to perform any downtime activities.

but the activity itself does not have the preparation trait. Does this mean they can still do the usual food and security activities, just not normal downtime activities like earn income?


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AHA!

This was my next question. We start book 2 Sunday. Thanks for this information!


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Oh, then I did misunderstand. Thank you.


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James Jacobs wrote:

Not as written.

** spoiler omitted **

My point:
"At the same time, the town's level increasing allows higher level PCs to gain access to higher level shopping and Earn Income tasks."

Maybe I'm misunderstanding how earn income works. Can they set any level for a task to the town level (if their reputation is appropriate), regardless of the level of the person they're working for?


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As the town levels, should the businesses level, too? Or does it matter? I'm thinking in terms of earn income tasks.


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I have a duskwalker. It's not a problem that I can see. He left open the option of having some tie to the community that I refused, though we left it at "you seem familiar for reasons nobody knows, but none are phased at your odd appearance, it's Tian Xia after all."


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Mo Douqiu:
I pronounced it for my table as More Dookie. And that's the way we played him. Basically, a hedonist rolling around in his own dookie. Of course, the first barbarian up to bat got a crit, so the fight ended quickly, maybe one last... event, before heading to the Boneyard.


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Looking forward to responses.


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We expect to start chapter 3 tomorrow, sitting at 1461 XP (I'm still undecided on milestones).

Chapter 3 expectations:
Since this chapter is largely exploration mode, semi-sandboxy, we could finish all of it quickly. My guys are all of the place when they have choices.


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Yes.


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We've managed to get through the 2nd chapter by day 3 (4 game sessions). I actually have a 4th player for the time being, so my witch is sidelined.

Probably should spoiler specific posts since I didn't put it in the title, btw.

Anyway...

End of chapter 1:
They chose to give Gurglegut the dreamtime tea concoction from Dami, and he grabbed it up. Rolling a 1 on his save, straight to the ground. Seemed anti-climactic, but was pretty funny.

End of chapter 2:
The gray butcher was easy, so they ended up facing Mo Dookie last. The barbarian (I have 2, actually) went straight at him and got a crit on his first hit. Joy.


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As I mentioned previously, I have a resentment witch that I play, two barbarians (one is a duskwalker), and an angelic sorceror. While I enjoy playing characters, as the GM, I'd prefer to only run the NPCs. Oh well, if a 4th shows up, my witch gets to sit it out.

Anyway, we managed to get through the entire first chapter in one day (2 3-hour sessions). 12 weeks and 6 days left in the summer. Hehe, overachievers.


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The version at demiplane doesn't have all the graphics that are in the original. However, you'll have to create an account to read it.

But, as others have noted, this is hardly an AP for those with arachnophobia.


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Ok.

Thanks for answering.


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The problem isn't really a big deal for people that do their own sheets, just write in the correct feat. The problem is with those of us that use character tools, like Demiplane or Pathbuilder, because they won't change the tool unless a Paizo dev acknowledges the error. Not sure how PFS handles things like this.


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It looks like the feats for Close Ties and Southbank Traditionalist were swapped. The former is a charisma-based background with Specialty Crafting, while the latter is an intelligence-based background with Hobnobber. It doesn't make sense.


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We'll be starting soon. Unfortunately, I have to play a PC regularly since we haven't been able to find a consistent 4th (we have one other guy that shows up every 2 or 3 months).

Anyway, I end up playing support classes, e.g., Investigator, etc., but this time I'll be a resentment witch. I think it'll be fun.

So far:

Male human witch (the resentment), focusing on debufs.

Human (duskwalker) dragon instinct barbarian.

Human (nephilim) monk. No details yet.

Likely male sorcerer or some other charisma-based class. This is the guy we're waiting on to start (he has other commitments).

I think I've read through the first book a half dozen times, the first chapter probably 10 or so. This is looking like a lot of fun, though it looks like we may have trap issues. Hmmm...


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Thanks, James. This explanation works (I am the GM, btw).


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Spoiler:
Has Kugaptee been detailed anywhere? A simple description beyond "dead fiend" would be nice.

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