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Keep in mind weapon cords require a move action to recover weapons now. They are much less powerful in that regard.

There isn't enough love for cavaliers in this thread.

When the monster gets bored and tries to kill his team mates, the Cavalier and warhorse give their adjacent friends +11 to AC versus attacks.
He also debuffs enemies saves and attacks passively by inflicting shaken as a free action on his attacks with Cornugon Smash, which gives him a free swift action attack for free every round at max AB, greatly increasing his damage.
On top of all this he is still a high strength two hander with power attack, challenge and order of the sword/banner bonuses to hit, a massive threat enemies need to deal with.

Both are legal, Acadamae Graduate is in the Curse of the Crimson Throne player guide (free download PDF) and Allnight is in the Adventurers Armory.

As a personal service announcement to all Wizard conjurors out there, all the cool magi have been utilizing

To speed their summoning endeavours.

Sounds like you are playing a full caster right then, keep it up. Summoning isn't the be all and end all, it is a powerful augment to your arsenal.

I'm looking forward to trying out a two handed falchion/sword and board fighter. Vestigial arm on the fighter chassis with mutagens and flight for gravy, has single handedly reinvigorated my interest in the class.

Hard as nails, hits like a two handed specialist, but with shield AC and 3 no AB penalty shield hits+ rend + bashing finish attacks. With feats left over for saves.

I'm not sure whether to use Martial Master, giving up weapon training seems like too much. Can anyone think of some good synergy?

Who else is glad to see the fighter getting love?

Why not a simple fix. Make him the master of feats. In the lines for fighter bonus feats, add "When taking a bonus feat the fighter can ignore all pre-requisites of the chosen feat"

It would give them great versatility and open up some fun builds that only a fighter could achieve.

Easy, Urban Ranger with Favored enemy: Banker (Evil).

Lastoth already designed a guide around that character exactly, have a look: Lastoths Guide to Archery Rangers

Clustered shots

1)Grease, Colour spray, Silent Image, Liberating Command, Protection from Evil
2) Create Pit, Mirror-Image, Glitterdust, Invisibility, Flaming Sphere
3) Haste, Battering Blast, Resist energy communal, Fly, Slow
4) Emergency Force Sphere, Enervation, Dimension Door, Confusion, Telekinetic Charge

Really quick attempt as a baseline.

The only item you really want on the shopping list is Banner of Ancient Kings.

Lots of skill ranks to play with and can face really effectively. Just a better rogue in my opinion.

Updating the Wiz/Cleric with a Thalin informed variant.
Moves away from human to aasimar, gains another domain,increased intelligence, aasimar traits and more rounded stats for the cost of lowered wisdom.

Honestly with the loss of lore oracle I'm growing more fond of Wiz/Cleric as an option by the minute, despite the mixed casting stats. The delay of sorcerors and oracles is starting to look painful.

I had a look at Evangelist, with it not improving over time I'm not sure on its usefulness. Do you have a way to squeeze the most out of it?

That said, I would not take any levels of monk, nothing is worth losing caster levels for, especially in Theurges.

I question why you have the 18 in Wis; that eats a lot of valuable points that could go elsewhere... a 14 should be fine (use the divine for buffing). Also, why 9 and not 7 cha?

For the sorcacle; dex should be 7, it does nothing for you. Same with Str. Get a higher int and wis for those points.

Agreed with the Soracle point.

I'm trying for both strong Cleric and Wizard casting, which may be overreaching, would you reccomend focussing more on wizard with limited emphasis on cleric? Perhaps:
LN Dual Talent Human Wizard/Cleric of Asmodeus:
Strength 7
Dexterity 10
Constitution 14
Intelligence 20
Wisdom 16
Charisma 7

With this you need not put any ability bonuses or magic items into raising wisdom at all, leave it purely as utility.
An interesting option.

Even though it "manifests as" augury, it's not a spell-like ability but a supernatural ability. So–sadly!–I don't think it will work to satisfy that requirement.

Damn! Good pick up. That build needs adjustment. Unfortunate, I liked the lore mystery.

Not quite sure how your level progression works out. you have to be 6th level before taking Theurge as a cleric/wizard or 8th level for oracle/sorceror build. Since you need 2nd level spells for each class before you can go into Tueurge. From your builds it seems like you become a thurge before level 6 or 8 (oracle/sorc).

Hi Morris, there has been a change in the way Spell Like abilities interract with qualifications for prestige classes. Check out this thread for a starter. FAQs about SLAs and the impact on Prestige

I am wondering why you chose Travel. On a standard Cleric its great as the Domain spells help enormously with mobility and Dimensional Hop is just great. All you are getting here though is 10' base speed and the ability to ignore difficult terrain for a few rounds per day. That might be useful early on but will fade very quickly in usefulness.

Mainly for access to its excellent domain spells to free up slots for the sorceror. Deception and liberation also seem nice. What do you think?

Putting up a Dekalinder variant for comparison:

Features: Cranked will save, single stat casting, 6th level Cleric spells, travel domain

Except I'd really like to be human; is there a feat- or class-based way to get it alongside the divine one? I can't remember, and that would be a LOT of digging to find. Anyone recall (or have the info readily available)?

Thanks.

A Trickery domain Cleric with the Fate Inquisition gives both Arcane and Divine 2nd level spell qualifications.

I'm personally firmly in the camp that trickery domain does not qualify as a second level SLA.

That said, i personally prefer Sorc 2/cleric 1 combination for general games. For PFS that caps at 12 better Sorc 1/cleric 2.

Interesting, for comparison, how would you do it?

For the Sorcerer/Oracle you really don't need double curse. Given the number of spontaneous spells you have I would really want to grab some metamagic feats.

Misfortune is decent but it only works once per creature. Persistent Spell will allow you to force every target to roll twice and you can use it over and over. Ill Omen is OK but its a standard action and you should have much better things to do with a standard action to remove an enemy.

I am looking at something like this for an MT.

I must admit I have never used Misfortune in game, it seems very useful though. What metamagic do you think would be most viable? Any thoughts on investing in Improved Familiar? I like your build, what did you pick up with Extra Revelation?

Looking over the new rules, I decided to have a go at building a Theurge because they look like fun now. I'm stuck between the old Wizard/Cleric variant, or the new possibility of Oracle/Sorceror, focussing on just Charisma.

Here are the two builds, which would you pick?

So far as I can see the comparison is this.

Wizard/Cleric Advantage:
gets access to higher level spells 1 level earlier, gets level 6 arcane spells at 12.
Extra feat, and 3 'open' feats for customisation.
4+ more skills per level, better knowledges
+4 Will Saves
Better at summoning
Much more versatile with two prepared casters

Sorc/Oracle advantage
One casting stat to focus on, will have much higher spell DC’s
5+ Higher AC/Reflex/Initiative
Has Misfortune to save allies/disable close foes.
Higher number of spells per day due to casting stat and spontaneous caster advantage

Also if you could pick apart any problems ( or improvements!) pre-emptively that would be great too :P.

I find the best way to play prepared spellcasters is to spread out your slots between different but equally devestating spells for varying circumstances. The exact right spell for the situation is always better than two or 3 close ones. This is a luxury only prepared spellcasters can enjoy.
As an example the three main configurations my Kingmaker Conjuration (teleportation) 10 wizard spell has:

As you can see you want to cover as much ground as possible with your options. And have emergency force sphere. Always.

Bodyguard Feat, Helpful trait, Combat reflexes and gloves of arcane striking.

Be adjacent to your big bad fighter, preferably with mirror image up and wielding a longspear. With bodyguard and combat reflexes you can up his AC by 4 for (1+ dex modifier) attacks against him per round, and gloves of arcane striking increase this AC bonus for 1 +1 per 5 caster levels. All without effecting your move or standard actions. The previously mentioned benevolent armor adds to this as well.

And don't say "A druid" because that's a class, and the druid is always seen the hippie that ties themselves to the trees in hopes that the loggers don't chop them up too.

Huh, I always saw them as earthquakes, firestorms and tidal waves smashing civilization to bits. A new Archdruid taking power to bring nature to the fight would be a cool main threat, powerful too.

Well, that's what I get for not looking at dates... I'll be right back with my dunce cap.

This is the most obvious troll I've ever seen on these forums, he rehashes an ancient and divisive argument, states 'I disagree' when given a reasonable response and then abandons the thread when it gets going.

*ready action throw alchemists fire* Don't feed the troll.

Yup, time to leave this thread I think..

Slap anyone who asks to take the leadership feat, apart from that with those restrictions you should be fine.

You're in luck, Lastoth made a guide specifically for the character you are planning. Here you go: Lastoths Guide to Archery Rangers

With zero effort or creativity: 2 Archery focus rangers with favoured enemy human riding their horse companions.

Ever heard of the Battle of Carrhae? It'll be like that, but much faster.

Racial HD and Caster level. Should they stack?

I've managed to weasel my GM into letting me play a traitor Serpentfolk

So here is my solution. What if racial HD and levels in a spellcasting class stacked to determine spells per day, caster level, and spell level, much like how certain prestige classes stack for caster level. Would that be overpowered?

Is there really any question what is going on here anymore?

Truesight wrote:

Kazarath wrote:

Posts his build at level 10

Again, the stats were vastly lowered, and I would've been open to being a level behind everyone else.

I was actually going to about only 5th level compared to them. And by the way, they weren't core races either!

Funny how the story changes as people uncover the race.

Funny how you're so quick to judge him over this.

It probably has something to do with the fact that it shows clearly he directly contradicts himself whenever it is convenient to his argument. That is, he is lying through his teeth.

I wouldn't be too hard on yourself here. If this other thread is any indicator, he tried to get a pretty powerful build vetted here on the boards: So...yet another OP character thread...

Great detective work Bill!

Kazarath wrote:

My GM has also forbidden me from using the race builder, because its not 'balanced'.

I even used the race builder to stat it up, lowering the stats and abilities vastly while still remaining true to the original.

Can't say I'm seeing a problem here. If a player really has their heart set on something, a DM should at least have the compassion to take it into consideration. I know I'd do it were I DMing.

It was banned, of course his DM is going to dismiss it. The fact that he brought this being dismissed out of hand as a reason for his DM being unfair without highlighting that shows how he is misrepresenting his DM. The fact that he is even using Race builder after it was banned makes this whole thread questionable, that he complained about it not being accepted when it was banned beforehand? Makes him look very disingenuous.

Truesight wrote:

Kazarath wrote:

The only core race I'd want to be that'd fit in the setting is pure-blooded azlanti, but of course I'm afraid to even ask given my track record.

Ah, the only core race you want is the most powerful one. Ok.

I can see how that could be a problem. It's also possible he's more interested in the history and culture than the raw power, but then I'm not actually familiar with the Azlanti, so I can't make a judgement call here.

Could be true, but given this thread that Bill so kindly revealed it is likely this gentleman likely has an interest in breaking the game.

Seriously Truesight, why so judgemental?

You aren't seeing this?

I might have been a bit....reckless, but that was because I was labouring under the apparently false assumption that if I died, I could make a character I really liked.

I was doing so because my 'GM' hinted at such things

When I told him that he had said I could

Hinted does not mean could.

Granted it was a monster character, but I had tried to make it as balanced as humanly possible.

He then said that I can have the same character, just use a standard race and we'll just 'call' him what I wanted it to be.

He gave you an out.

I've had to accept the fact my friends are a$&holes

Ok, not seeing it so far but lets continue.

My GM has also forbidden me from using the race builder, because its not 'balanced'.

I even used the race builder to stat it up, lowering the stats and abilities vastly while still remaining true to the original.

Huh, so you were forbidden from using Race Builder but went ahead and did it anyway, and then are devestated he doesn't want to use your custom monster race. But he's an 'a$&hole'. Right?

The only core race I'd want to be that'd fit in the setting is pure-blooded azlanti, but of course I'm afraid to even ask given my track record.

Ah, the only core race you want is the most powerful one. Ok.

Posts his build at level 10

Again, the stats were vastly lowered, and I would've been open to being a level behind everyone else.

I was actually going to about only 5th level compared to them. And by the way, they weren't core races either!

Funny how the story changes as people uncover the race.

I had already stated, I used the race builder to change THE STATS.

How nice of him, to use that thing his GM banned beforehand.

Not seeing where the others did wrong here. At all. I'm seeing alot of changes of story and misrepresentation too.

So in short, screw you guys, I'm going home.

You bring your table problems to the public forums and misrepresent the other side, then are surprised when some people are curious that perhaps everything isn't on the level?

You hid what race you so needed at first, because it was utterly ridiculous, and have revealed that you have a past of attempting to slip in overly strong races in your first post.

Now you leave the second people start realizing what you were trying to do, and still think you are hard done by.

Goodbye, and send your DM my love, he's fighting the good fight.

I'm starting to see where the problems with this group lie.
Serpentfolk: Str –2, Dex +10, Con +6, Int +8, Wis +4, Cha +6.
• At will—disguise self (humanoid form only, DC 14), ventriloquism
• 1/day—blur, mirror image, suggestion (DC 16)
• telepathy 100 ft.
• Spell Resistance equals total Hit Dice + 10.
• Poison bite (Bite—injury; save Fort DC 15; frequency 1/round for 6 rounds; effect 1d2 Str; cure 2 saves. ) save DC equals 10 + Con modifier + 1/2 total Hit Dice.
-When it is 4th level in any class combination, it gains two spell-like abilities usable once per day each: dominate person and major image. When it reaches 9th level in any combination, it gains two more usable once per day each: mass suggestion and teleport

It isn't even a variable race from the race guide, it is -way- too powerful, it's a Beastiary variant. So it's this overpowered ridiculousness or Pureblood Azlanti? You want full class levels on top I'm assuming? And the others are core races?

I'm sure they are all 'dicks'. Cry poor me all you want, but this is pretty ridiculous mate.

The only core race I'd want to be that'd fit in the setting is pure-blooded azlanti, but of course I'm afraid to even ask given my track record.

Perhaps you should find a game where they don't care about party dynamics.

So you got a grumpy "I'll consider"... for a special treat, trashed your pc, and now complain the GM did not give you a reward for it? No sympathy from me

This. Also, you are trying to get a race above and beyond what the other players were allowed, and you seem astonished that they might be upset at this. The only core race you can think of a character for is a Pureblood Azlanti. -Really-?

Your DM is in the right.

I believe this kind of thread is called a 'humble brag'.

A Staff of fire.

Emergency Force Shield, an immediate action Resilient Sphere, at the same level. It's very, very hard to kill a mage with that in his spell list.

Archery rangers have huge damage, fast feats, a mount and lots of versatility. Lastoth did a great guide here

Here's my best PFS bard build, it gives +6/+6 +1d6 sonic as a swift action to all party members on the first round, to which he can cast a spell (haste) on top. As well, he buffs the fighters AC using bodyguard and works in tandem with him using a spear.

Using the Aasimar favoured class bonus and Banner of Ancient Kings his Inspire Courage is +4/+4 swift action at level 9 (9 levels +4 Favoured class, +4 Banner of Ancient Kings), as opposed to 17, and the banner adds a further +2/+2. On top of this at level 11 Discordant voice adds +1d6 sonic damage as well. During combat he stays adjacent to the main fighter and buffs his AC by 4, 3 times per round using bodyguard(+7 AC with gloves of arcane striking, +9 with benevolent armour property). Make sure to take saving finale to buff allies saving throws and take advantage of your lingering song feat.

So the bard gives huge bonuses to attack and defense, while still having great skills and full bard spells. Oh, and all of these are swift actions or attacks of opportunity, so you can full attack at the same time should you wish using your two handed weapon and high strength.

the idea behind her is that I wanted a character who constantly would want and need to learn new Languages.

It also fits your backstory, the Aasimar 'Truespeaker' trait means that the bard gets two languages for each rank in linguistics, you'll have tonnes of those in no time.

Trusight: Why a Dex of 14? Isn't this guy going to be wearing full plate?

He will be wearing full plate, but a dex of 14 allows 2 extra attacks of opportunity using combat reflexes, which means 3 opportunities to increase an allies AC using bodyguard rather than 1.

If you are looking at archery as your main role and you have full BAB, Deadly Aim is not optional, it's necessary.
If it were me I would get it at 5, moving your weapon finesse and power attack to 7,9 respectively. I would drop cleave it won't do you any good at level 9.

A Human Bard with Focused Study in Perform skills, Racial Heritage and Breadth of Experience. Take a rogue level if you need to disarm magical traps.

Every four levels, the first of which won't be useful to you, but fair enough. What feats would choose for level 1-5 then? A character who can do nothing but 1-8 damage at level 4-5 is not pulling his weight wouldn't you agree? A wizard who picked a up a light crossbow could do that in his spare time, with only 3 or so less AB.

Merkatz, at low levels, a character like this would rely on ranged attacks to be effective, until he could get his hands on an agile weapon.

He has no ranged feats at all, so from level 1-5 he will be plinking away for 1d8 damage a round, taking full penalties for cover and melee combat?

Eww.

And

Hit them, now when enemies attack anyone in your melee line everyone gets an attack of opportunity, with +4 to hit, and you get that, and +1/2 level on top of challenge damage. They just died.

This Helpful trait revelation makes me think a pure paladin might do fine for your purposes if you want a bit of damage.

You give up teamwork feats, Swift Aid and Gangup, 6 less on Aid Another for:
Spells
Smite
Higher Saves
Immunities
Healing

Pretty good trade.

If you don't care about damage you can take Loyalty oath and variant channelling and spin it in that direction too.

@Truesight

A note: you can take Helpful as any race with the Adopted trait, and you still get your other trait. Source.

Helpful trait on a human order of the Dragon Cavalier?! Let's pump that level 3 bonus to +8 shall we. Nice. :P