|Thomas, the Tiefling Hero!|
Thomas, the Tiefling Hero! wrote:Harleequin wrote:
Well we will just agree to disagree... all I [s]know is 2 things:
1) They designed the Warpriest for a very good reason
2) I have never ever seen a cleric be simultaneously a "very strong martial" and a "very strong caster"... I have however seen many clerics who are simultaneously mediocre martials and mediocre casters - this becomes especially true past about 9th level.
It only takes one example to prove possibility, and I've played that example all the way up through the tail end of 11th level. Meanwhile, the warpriest is just a smaller cleric: same BAB, same HD, same saves, same spell list, and (in practice) nearly the same proficiencies.
That's reality. Believe as you choose.
It's possible to be a strong martial cleric, and also have strong spellcasting, but that spellcasting is going to have to avoid save-granting offensive spells (except for the odd Plane Shift on a gargantuan ooze or such).
Martial clerics can do just as well with healing, condition removal, and a lot of problem-solving spells, but they just won't have the offensive magical punch of a dedicated debuff/SoS/SoD cleric.
I already pointed out that if you try to play them like a dedicated SoS cleric, then of course the hybrid won't perform as well. Never tried to claim otherwise. I only claimed a cleric could simultaneously be a strong (not mediocre) combatant and a strong spellcaster, not that he could play identically to both types of specialists at the same time.