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To be honest - I wasn't looking at Anti-Oradin for healing, but rather for the Black Blood archtype specifically then to jump into Holy Vindicator for self-healing, Oracle casting progression and improvements to channeling negative energy while staying full-BAB for all but a single level through level 16 - 17. So, for instance 1 level as a Black Blood Oracle then 10 levels as a Holy Vindicator would get the PC to a Level 8 Oracle for spellcasting abilities, along with being able to have an option to heal with negative energy. I think I'd either take Lore (Side Step Secret) for CHA bonus to AC, or Dark Tapestry (Wings of Darkness) for a better spell selection and Wings free once per day... And 10 Levels of Holy Vindicator lets the PC improve CL for channel energy, at the expense of uses since progress stops for Touch of Corruption. In addition, they gain unique ways to manipulate channel energy that makes it more potent when used. The effect, theoretically, was to create a Full BAB class (minus one level) with the antipaladin's powerful Touch of Corruption/Cruelty, Unholy Resilience, Aura of Cowardice (for Intimidate debuffing), and Fiendish Boon, gain better spell progression with a divine CHA class as well as healing from negative energy and also get powerful boosts to combat, with the Holy Vindicator like Stigmata, Divine Wrath, Bloodfire, a free feat that I was going to pick up anyway, Versatile Channel, Bloodrain and Divine Retribution. Really, I was curious if this was worth it even though antipaladins lack a true ranged attack outside of 30feet? The Black Blood Oracle/Holy Vindicator was somewhat of a thought to solve that. But the trade off is losing a lot of powerful antipaladin abilities, such as two cruelties, Touch of Corruption use progress, more extremely good auras, etc.
Has anyone had success with an Anti-Oradin build or an Anti-Oradin/Holy Vindicator build? I feel like having some of the Antipaladin Abilities, and getting Oracle spell progression AND maintain Full BAB progression through Holy Vindicator could be potent. For instance - Antipaladin 5 (possibly dread Vanguard seeing levels in Oracle could pass for spellcasting), Black Blood Oracle 1 (or 2), Holy Vindicator 10? (I don't know if it would be smart to do Oracle or Antipaladin after all levels of Holy Vindicator) I've seen this particular build used with Bones for creating a pretty hefty undead HD pool, but I'm not necessary interested in making undead minions. I was thinking of a concept of using Channel Smite and Intimidating along with some of the Holy Vindicator's variations on Channeling (Free Channel Smite Feat, Stigmata, Blood Fire, Versatile Channel, Bloodrain) as becoming like a Negative Energy Blood Knight. I guess in theory it seemed somewhat powerful, with the choice to use a ranged channel, or a melee channel to inflict status effects on targets. Like some mix of Darth Vader / the Emporer empowering himself with Negative Energy (Stigmata bonus to Attack Rolls, Touch of Corruption, etc.), but also shooting out Negative Energy to strike opposing foes (Note that I don't quite care about Smite Good, nor Vindicator's shield - we'll likely face good, but it's situational and he will be using a Two-Handed weapon.) Basically - Aura of Fear + Intimidate then using Touch of Corruption/Channel Negative Energy to kill off melee/ranged attackers in a similar fashion seems like pretty powerful debuffing. And getting 7 levels or Oracle spell casting seems to be a bit more powerful than Antipaladin (but I could be wrong). Does this seem like a plausible idea and good use of the antipaladin class? Or is it smarter to just stay Antipaladin?
How is the Knight of the Sepulcher? It seems like a pretty powerful archetype if built properly (maybe with some dips in Oracle?)
I've read through both Bodhi and Marshmallow's antipaladin guides. They extensive and helped me understand the antipaladin class much better. But I'm curious, does one raise their PC's strength or charisma ability scores for ability score increases after level 1?
Thank you Imbicatus. Does anyone have recommendations for which spell to do mastery on and why? I've seen Fireball and Ball Lightning mentioned the most on other threads, with dazing spell, due to the AOE/Battlefield control. I'm open to any suggestions if they make sense.
I was under the impression that only Fighters could retrain feats, wizard can as well? If that is so, Toughness definitely seems like the better option.
Is that because there isn't really a big arsenal of spell to use at that level? The only reason I was thinking of grabbing heighten spell there is because the build is fairly feat starved so it was the one place I could see sneaking that in.
Hello All, I'm still a little new to Pathfinder, but I've got experience with every version of D&D. I've always been drawn to the Wizard class in my time roleplaying, not just because of its almighty power, but Wizards have always interested me. Needless to say, the are my favorite class, with Fighter being a close second - total polar opposite ends of the spectrum, I know, but I feel like these two classes are legitimate 'blank slates' that one can customize however they wish. I guess Cleric can be considered as much as well, but I'm not big on the whole being a instrument of a God thing. In any case, I digress. I'm trying to make a Wizard for an upcoming game I'm seeking to be a part of. It's open-ended and I plan on playing one of the two villains in the game. This is my first time making a Wizard in Pathfinder and I find the options available, much like that of a Fighter, creating a huge amount of options. For us, anything on SRD is allowed with the only caveat being all core races are available, in addition to Aasimar and Tiefling and no firearms/futuristic stuff. For a villain, I've decided to go Tiefling; there's something appealing from a roleplaying perspective to play a fiend-born, especially a villain who is trying to pull strings from the shadows, similar to Manshoon. As a Tiefling, I'm going to take Prehensile Tail as a trait to replace Fiendish Sorcery since I'm not playing a sorcerer and swift metamagic rods + multiple roleplaying aspects of this seem fun (Sleight of Hand with a tail? WHAT?). I was looking at Vestigal Wings, but playing an evil wizard who pulls strings from the shadows, I could see stealth and bluff being reasonably attractive as RP options (I also have good Dexterity score, which I'll cover later). In any case, we rolled for our ability scores and I rolled a 7, 16, 16, 15, 13 and a 9 - decent scores for a Wizard. With the Tiefling Racial modifiers, my scores are as follows: STR: 7
A very respectable array for secondary stats, but Int is going to be missing a +1 throughout his entire level span. The nice part about the rolls is the Dex score allows me to negate having to grab an initiative trait and also means I can get away with 1 or 2 points in the Fly skill instead of 4-5. It also means I can do some interesting stuff with Dexterity skills, like stealth, sleight of hand, escape artist, etc. Considering I'll have 6 starting skills, and more at later levels, I'll be able to diversify outside the realm of just INT skills. I'm choosing to go Divination (Foresight) as the spell school specialization and starting with Enchantment and Necromancy as my opposition schools. After level 10, I plan on reclaiming Necromancy with the Opposition Research Arcane Discovery. For this type of campaign, it will be very worthwhile to take this school over conjuration or evocation in my belief, because I know I will have to be constantly planning ahead and being careful with my actions, as well as always winning initiative. Many of the Divination spells allow RAW meta-gaming through keen use and scouting and I'll need to constantly be ahead of the heroes and heroic NPCs. And, with a handful of preferred spells, I can also sacrifice the slot for a more general utility spell. My questions really pertain for a few things and all are both trait and feat related. For traits, since I have 18 dexterity, I don't see myself as really needed to take reactionary, or any +2 initiative trait. So, I'm thinking of taking Magical Lineage and Gifted Adept. I know that its a good idea to plan this to a spell that you will want to apply Spell Perfection, so I'm curious to what spell is recommended for this. I've heard Fireball is excellent as well as Ball Lightning with Dazing Spell as a metamagic feat. I'm favoring Ball Lightning a little because of the battlefield control and the ability to seriously lock down an enemy. With Forewarned, Prescience and Foretell, I could see two orbs of dazing lightning that could be moved about as a move action, that cause another save against daze if the first is passed rather potent. Acting first and dropping two orbs on the field of battle to lock down two foes or more at later levels with Reflex saves. That's mean. Are there any other suggestions for these two traits? Is Electricity a better element than fire for SR reasons? Also, I'm curious on feat progression. At level 1, I'm taking Improved Initiative. So with Forewarned, I will have +13 to initiative at level 1 (4 DEX mod + 4 Improved Initiative + 4 Initiative from Greensting Scorpion + 1 Initiative from Forewarned). I will say that I have Improved Familiar as a lock at level 7 for an Imp, Opposition Research: Necromancy at level 9 and Spell Perfection: (spell still up in the air) at level 15. Also, I will need to take Heighten Spell, Preferred Spell: (whatever spell is chosen for spell perfection), Dazing Spell, Spell Penetration and Preferred Spell Penetration. I will say, I'm allowed the Leadership feat as well and I plan on taking it soon after it become available. I plan on having my cohort be a crafter, so I'm not sure if it is worthwhile to put crafting feats on the PC. So my initial feat thought process is: Level 1: Improved Initiative
Does anyone have alternative suggestions for feat progression or alternative traits? All your thoughts are appreciated!
I thought that Critical Focus counted as a Critical Feat, but looking over the verbiage of Critical Mastery, it appears as if I'll need Critical Focus and two additional critical feats. So, I will take Bleeding Critical at level 12 and re-train Bleeding Critical to Blinding Critical at level 16. At level 20 I will re-train Blinding Critical to Critical Versatility.
Good points! So, in my later levels, should I focus on getting Critical Status Feats, or do you think Staggering/Stunning Critical and Critical Versatility is good enough? Also, should I look into getting Improved Critical (Elven Curve Blade), or is keening just fine? So this is what I'm thinking now for Feat Progression: Level 1: Weapon Finesse, Power Attack
Any opinions of change to feat progression?
I do think initially Lore Wardens seem to favor Elves as a race for Fighter. I thought about Elf initially and even dabbled switching STR to Int on the Human build, but one of the reasons I left STR where it is was do to possibly going for Dazzling Display around level 8 with a +1 bump to STR and using Martial Mastery to get Awe Inspiring Smash if I couldn't pass an intimidate check. I've somewhat left that option open, but I wasn't sure if it was worth it.
Good to know. I'll have to speak with my GM about that. I don't think he realized that the traits do not stack either. I'll probably grab something to shore up Fortitude from the low con in that case. I may re-think grabbing additional traits and instead grab Power Attack at level 1 and Iron Will later on as well.
This is my first post and my first truly custom build, so please take it easy on me :). I've been building a character for a new campaign I'm playing in - the setting is an large, open world with 20 players and the setting is Faerun, but uses Pathfinder rules. I'm trying to make an optimal Fighter, while still keeping it fun for roleplaying and versatile enough for an open world game where Fighting doesn't happen on a daily basis. And the campaign has the possibly of taking players from level 1 - 20. I started researching a lot for the PC and have spent the past week or so reading through optimizing guides, understanding archetypes, feats and traits and I finally came together with something interesting. Basic Background Fluff:
The PC was born in Cormyr, left at a young age. Grew up in Tangled Trees with Elves, but returned to Cormyr as an adolescent. Was picked up by the War Wizard Academy, but eventually washed out as an apprentice. Picked up with the Purple Dragons afterward and stayed with them for some time, until his dissatisfaction with regimented service was exploited by the Zhetarim. Resigned from the Purple Dragons to join the Zhentarim until he uncovered a plot where they were summoning beasts to attack villages to get hired to ward them off. now is traveling to the Sword Coast with an Oracle for Llorkah to escape Zhentarim lands. General Character Thought Process:
For this campaign, we were given the choice of a Standard Point Buy or roll 4d6 x 6, drop the lowest rolls. I chose to roll and got the following scores: 16, 14, 12, 13, 10, 13. I played on the odds we'd likely get better scores rolling, than standard buy and what I rolled was a bit better than what I could've done point-buy. Looking at the whole picture, it appeared as if the Lore Warden leaned more toward a Finesse Fighter build if you wanted to fight on the front lines, considering the removal of Medium and Heavy Armor Proficiency. I looked a couple of option for strength, which would give the PC Overrun, Bullrush and Grapple viability, but having low AC just isn't what I was looking for in a Fighter. Also, Hair's Breath would require a decent Acrobatics check, which was Dexterity based skill and made difficult using Heavy Armor. So, Dexterity it was. Now the tricky part was creating a Damage Dealer, using Dexterity and taking advantage of the eventually Capstone ability provided by Lore Warden. Looking at the weapons, the Elven Curve Blade provided exactly what I was looking for: Crit Range like the Falchion, Two-Handed and Finessable. Not only that, but it had a bonus to CMD, which stacked with Lore Warden - the sword was basically calling for me to create a build around it. So, there it was - a Dexerity Based Fighter, designed around hitting almost as hard as a Strength based fighter, but gaining versatility in Combat Maneuvers as well as Bardic Performances and the ability to adopt feats on the fly. And it all has synergy! Character Generation:
Feat/Ability Progression through Level 16:
So my thought process here is get Weapon Finesse as early as possible, allowing me to use the Elven Curve Blade like a Falchion. Additional traits gives me a better version of Iron Will with Indomitable Faith and Carefully Hidden. Combined, they give +2 to Will Saves and an additional +2 against divination. Unfortunately, Power Attack has to wait until level 2, but in game, I think this will be okay. Level 2 provides Combat Expertise for free, which just opens up the Feat Chains at level 5. At this point my goal is to grab Weapon Focus, along with the setup feats needed for 'Wombo-Combos' (http://paizo.com/threads/rzs2refn?Brawler-vs-Lore-WardenMartial-Master). By Level 5, I should have 20 AC just using Studded Leather, +10 to attack and 1d10+6 to damage without Power Attack. But at this level, Martial Flexibility opens up. Need to Sunder, Trip or Disarm? Flip on and 'Improved' feat as a move action, pesky cast using a 5'step, turn on Step Up first round. Fighting something with Slashing DR? Weapon Versatility fixes that. The PC now becomes a versatile combat, while still focused on damage. By Level 6, you have all the 'Initiator' Feats to start up a 'Wombo-Combo' with Dexterity and can focus on amplifying damage/critical hits. Level 7 gives Know Thy Enemy AND Bardic Performance. So, you can use your first Standard Action to either Buff your Party, or take a Knowledge check to scan an enemy for weakness, gaining +2 attack/+2 damage. Or you could two both in the first round getting +3/+3 for yourself and +1/+1 for the rest of the party in two rounds if necessary. Your first round can also see a move action use Martial Flexibility to grab a combat feat if necessary. After this, Feats are focused improving critical hits until at least level 16. Combat Strategy:
So, what do you all think? Would you change anything up here? Is getting Improved Critical necessary if you have a 'keened' weapon? If so, where would you put it in the progression? Also, any suggestions for feats from level 17-20? I've never played in a campaign over level 16 so I'm somewhat in a blank area there. |