Loreli 'Lo Munte's page

Is this still happening?

Frankly, I have no idea. He has not posted at all since thursday. Nobody in this game has, but most folks in his King Arthur Game has.

Quick update gang, been sick as a dog the past couple of days. Extending recruitment to Friday; that way I can get back to anyone who needs it and give them a chance to change anything I mention.

Well wishes from the US East Coast! Hope you feel better, though I won't be able to implement any changes to my character sheet Friday, unfortunately; I'm getting my wisdom teeth removed tomorrow, which means I'm going to be out of it for at least 3 days.

Alright, aside from spending a lot of gold and a sizable number of questions, Loreli is largely completed (Aside from 5th level feat and maybe a trait)

On the Character of Loreli

I've been doing some reading through the thread and character backstories, and Loreli is looking like something of a mirror of Ilysaria. Noble born, society rejected them, both decided to take a life of an adventurer rather than the life they were destined for. But in terms of hopes, they seem quite opposite: Loreli loved the idea of living the society life, while Lys hated it. Might be an interesting dynamic.

While I feel like I have enough background to provide insight into her as a character, I always find characters find themselves in other characters.

Continuing to mechanics, she is probably the most vulnerable member of the party, at the moment. With relatively low saves across the board (+7 and +6) and some pretty poor AC (16 vs the 19 and 20 of my peers), I feel like she is best kept away from the frontlines. With Spell DCs of 20, however, she can provide effective debuffs against multiple enemies effectively, and with her Infusions, can serve as a competent buffer.

Continuing to the more mechanics minded questions:

While certainly neither RAW or RAI, would having the Merchant Family trait allow an extra <1050 gp to spend on fluff-related items (A wagon house, a manservant, and outfits) be acceptable? Nothing magical, and nothing that could be readily abused (A bedroom, a Chamber Pot, and an office).

I presume the statement of no pre-game crafting applies to Alchemical items in addition to magical items, or would such a permission be allowed, especially for an Alchemist.

I presume that you cannot use False Focus to emulate Alchemical Regents?

I see way, way earlier into the thread you allowed Spheres of Might. Under martial traditions, a player can trade away their starting proficiencies for a martial tradition. I expect this is largely for more martial characters than an Investigator, and expects them to swap their proficiencies too. However, Investigator's proficiency with the Hand Crossbow qualifies them for this trade. This would mean (Presuming I take the Daring Scholar tradition) that I gain limited access to the Sphere system (About 3 talents). This would mean I would gain access to some limited at-will abilities in my case, plus some minor utility. Would that be acceptable? It'll greatly increase her in-combat utility if she runs out of spells, which may or may not be to her liking.

A discovery of Loreli's character

@Loreli- the rules for archetype stacking exist specifically to avoid that sort of cherry picking, so I'm going to say no. I also doubt that studied combat will be wasted...sure, you might lean more towards social skills, but more than likely you will eventually take up arms. You can also talent it out at 9 to swap the damage bonus for an AC bonus.

Surprisingly enough for me, the backstory ended up giving her a melee weapon. It's not something I planned for her to get (She was supposed to be a spellcaster in full, and view bloodshed as a terrifying prospect), but it happened. Her spells and alchemical equipment were supposed to be her arms, but it appears she might get some use out of it after all.

Speaking of which, I presume the Studied Combat's bonus damage only applies to Melee attacks, despite not explicitly stating so?

@Loreli- Follow the normal rules for archetype stacking, no swapping out abilities.

Let me know if I missed you and I'll respond.

I presume there is nothing I can do to persuade you? After all, Loreli is not a fighter, she's a talker- Studied Strike does not fit with her as a character, while everything else in the Investigator class does. If there was an option to swap it out for something without swapping Poison Lore, I would take it in a heartbeat. Unfortunately, it does not exist.

Whelp, I already have a character nearly completely done, minus a feat, some recalculations, and running some things past you-

This is Loreli 'Lo Munte bastard daughter of a noblewoman.

Mechanically, she's a Wizard//Investigator, not focused on entering into the frontlines, but on supporting her party and buffing from the backlines. I might give her some tanglefoot bags or similar alchemical equipment, so that she is not solely limited by her magic, but she is largely a spellcaster. Her spells are largely buffs, but I'll add some debuffing spells to her spell list, and bolster her list's BFC.

A question for the DM: The Cryptic Scholar and Empiricist archetype do not stack, but I do not like Studied Combat for this character. May I drop Intuitive Monster Lore from the Cryptid Scholar Archetype?

Loreli's face was cold and stoic as she gave Grial and Phaener a cold glare.

"Perhaps. But there's quite clearly a reason why he's hired us, and there's a reason why he's testing us. And if he's testing is, somethings quite clear if we pass: We're not replaceable. That's the whole point of testing. Making sure someone's qualified for the job is par for the course! Abadar's cursed ledgers, it's like you've never hired someone in your life!"

With the bear descending from the sky, Loreli begun another studied combat, expending a point of inspiration to do so.
"It took me five years and thousands of gold to even be allowed to be *Tested* to become an apprentice," she said, casting Darting Duplicant into the Dire Bear's space (Swift Action), requiring a DC 16 will save or lose AoO,

"It took my mother until I was *six* to get me allowed to take the test to get into boarding school," she continued, tossing a tanglefoot bag on the Bear,

"And I passed every test with flying colors. Being tested means they see potential, so perhaps consider that before yelling about the staging."
She ends her Tirade by taking a 5 foot step back.

*lurk*
I watch.
I lurk.
I wait.
and I am sorry about the loss of an employee. Sounds like it sucks tremendously.

Edit:
I want to post, but I fear that the post Loreli has is just way, way too preechy.

TL;DR: Being tested means that *They think you're worth something.* e Because if they thought you were worthless, *you wouldn't be there*. It took her years to get to the point where society is even willing to put her skills to the test, so consider yourself lucky they have enough faith to bring you in.

"May I request a pause?" Loreli calls to her companions, slowly waltzing over to her bowslinging companion, "I feel the urge to dispel the air of confusion; Perhaps you are unfamiliar with most mage's training, or perhaps you have a justified reason to fear for your lives, but I promise, each of you is safe."

She gestures to the spider, still ready to spring, "A wise move would have been to pin us down, or to dispel the pit that robs him of space, or simply to strike us down where we stand. But yet, it has done nothing. Locked behind a wall, it readies a pounce, and yet we're still alive."
She taps the arrow on Grial's bow, "It's a test. A common one, to see how well someone might survive against an assault. My teacher put me through a couple in the past, though none as extravagantly crafted as this. There is good reason; After all, who can tell what a fragile lady as myself can handle, how the archer responds to threats up close, or if the halflings madness would break us both."
She idly strolls back to adjacent to the halfling, "After all, he quite clearly cares deeply for Lady Kaijitsu, and wishes only the finest and wisest to aid her in her endeavor. But appearances are not always as honest as they might appear, something my family is quite aware of. And he wishes to ensure that we are as good as we seem."
TL;DR
She leans against the wall, "If that was a bit too verbose, I'll make it clear: We're being tested. Not sent to slaughter. So let's ready our weapons for some sparing, not to fight someone out of our league."

Just rolling to sense-motive-

1d20 + 14 + 1d6 ⇒ (10) + 14 + (3) = 27
To figure out if her expectations are incorrect, and that they are being tested for their prowess in combat to make sure we're capable of dealing with the challenges.

I'm presuming that this time is actual time, and not just downtime

Loreli, seeing that she has the time, sighs, "Alright everyone, down your Infusions, we're given half a minute to cast. Get into place!"[/b]

R1: She loads her launching crossbow with her previously drawn Tanglefoot Bag (FRA)
R2: She withdraws some smelling salts, and keeps it in one hand, while dispelling her created pit.
R3: She moves next to the bleechling, and uses her smelling salts.
R4: Move to move next to the cliff, swift teleport up, standard to top the smelling salt.
R5: She casts Create Pit in a more fit location, and begins a studied Combat vs the giant robot spider, granting +1 to AC and Saves vs it's attacks.
Knowledge (Arcana): 1d20 + 12 + 1d6 ⇒ (5) + 12 + (3) = 20

Extracts by holders
Chalkou: Enlarge Person (1st)
Mr. Norn: Enlarge Person (1st)
Ms. Breitling: Protection from Evil (1st)
Mr Fuzzankle: Vinestrike (2nd)
Grial: Long Arm (1st)

Loreli 'Lo Munte wrote:

I have something similar to 4, but it's a tree that dual-wields chainsaws. So not quite the idea you had, but in the same really weird area. Otherwise, none of the type of builds there are ones I'm really familiar with (Don't play many frontliners).

That's so unbelievably weird as to be fantastic, but unfortunately is too "good" of a character for what I'm looking for here; dual-wield chainsaws sounds like it might hurt quite a bit.

Hmm... Can't really think of any other design, unfortunately. Maybe a Human Duettist Bard//Huntmaster Cavileer who uses all their feats to take Boon Companion, to get 4 animal companions, 3 full level and 1 1st level, and guides them to victory? (It's an option).

I have something similar to 4, but it's a tree that dual-wields chainsaws. So not quite the idea you had, but in the same really weird area. Otherwise, none of the type of builds there are ones I'm really familiar with (Don't play many frontliners).

1d20 ⇒ 4
"Not allowed to grease the Inlet? Disappointing!" the miss's said, quite clearly annoyed. Seeing Grial pull out his bow, her disappointment is palatable. "It's a test! We're supposed to do our best here, not threaten the proctor!"

Coming to the realization that she had no idea what the thing was, after she 5 foot stepped into cover, she instead withdrew a tanglefoot bag out of her haversack with her move action, as she had no idea what she was going up against.

... Loreli's turn was significantly less cool than I thought it would be. Miss the giant spider, miss the the jump down, land on the ground face-first. That was significantly less useful than I thought it would be. Really hoping the wall is too tall to teleport up.

"It's a TEST, have you never been TESTED like that befor- RUN GRIAL!" Loreli cries, quickly identifying the spider.
Knowledge (Nature): 1d20 + 12 + 1d6 ⇒ (1) + 12 + (2) = 15

Loreli will not use a studied strike yet, but instead votes to use her move action to withdraw a Tanglefoot Bag from her haversack, uses her Shift to teleport atop the nearby rocks Adjacent to the tiny bettle, and tosses it at the giant spider, expending 2 uses of Inspiration to bolster her aim chance.

1d20 + 3 + 1 + 1d6 - 3 ⇒ (2) + 3 + 1 + (1) - 3 = 4
(Seems 3 range categories away, so attack roll has -3 penalty)
... Wow I missed here.
If allowed, while withdrawing her tanglefoot bag, she also grabs a rock on the ground to use as a improvised weapon, and threatens the tiny robot spider.

If she cannot threaten the robo-spider, and teleportation does not count as movement, she takes a 5 foot step to slide down the cliff face, into cover between the massive spider, next to Lulu.
Acrobatics (Wow that's bad): 1d20 - 1 ⇒ (12) - 1 = 11

Loreli, after her conversations, looks at the Half-Elf in surprise at his proclaiming his heritage, "Oh, my sincerest apologies, I tend to jump to conclusions. Useful when suitors want you dead and when you mostly deal with humans, not as much for other such folk.

Loreli had barely turned to the half-elf before realising that her shoes were now in dirt and mud, with barely a moment's pause before she was in the midst.
Knowledge (Nature): 1d20 + 12 + 1d6 ⇒ (11) + 12 + (4) = 27
She begins to describe what the creatures are precisely, granting a +1 competence (?) bonus to AC and saving throws vs the summons, taking a 5 foot step closer to Kazrek.

"STEP BACK!" she calls to Grial. Once Grial takes a 5 foot step or moves away from the creature, she casts Create Pit right under the summoned creature, dropping into the pit with a DC 17 reflex save.

'Lo nodded, "Then how does this seem- I link up Mr. Norn, Chalkou links wtih Ms. Breitling, and the two tall, and Mr Funzzankle will mount his cart with Grial."

She sighs, "And, as much as I enjoy our chatter, we really must leave soon- After all, there is only so much daylight."

Apologies if I've delayed our exit, was just very useful to figure 'Lo out.

'Lo looked at the toad with a look of thanks.

Bluff to show gratitude: 1d20 + 16 - 5 + 5 ⇒ (13) + 16 - 5 + 5 = 29(-5 for unlikely, +5 for what she wants to hear)
"Why, thank you, but I don't need such pleasentries- It is, after all, why I am here. I'd love to keep him, but I don't think I have anywhere to put it! How about you keep it for me- after all, you have the housing!"
She returns the toad to the halfling's hands, and pulls out a hankerchief to wipe off her hands before continuing her distribution.

When joined by Lulu she provides a moment of pause, before commenting "Perhaps Lulu might take the Balista? Despite her small stature, I imagine she has a keen eye and hand."

Bluff for secret messages: 1d20 + 16 ⇒ (9) + 16 = 25
I'd much prefer if I didn't have to deal with her pets near my cart, nor with her. Perhaps you might quell her... Peculiar personality quirks.

Apologies for her rudeness and prudishness, but she's kinda unsettling to a lawful, lady-like lady. I'm trying to think of a way to get her to like Lulu.

'Lo, faced with such utter impoliteness, had a flabbergasted and insulted look on her face for a second, before she gave him a warm smile.
"My dear, you think to low of me!" she said, a laugh in her voice. "You see, the only cost is for you to help the caravan! Something I imagine you're going to be doing anyway."
She curtsies, "Loreli, daughter of Johnathan Munte, Diplomat, Lady, Mage, and alchemist. Should you feel like a lady of such high standing would think to rob you such, you don't need to take it, but I would recommend it."

She looks to the looming, looming half-orc besides her, and passes him an infusion. "Should you require another wagon, I already possess a third- Take it, consider it a sign of respect."
She looks over to her manservant, "Jerald! Tell Mr Neils to cancel a wagon, and hitch the third supply wagon to this sir's."
She returns her eye to the looming figure, "As for hitching, I feel like more than two folks to a wagon would be crowded and too easy of a target- Should you lie on the frontline, I feel like someone more suited to the back should mount the crossbow. Perhaps myself, perhaps the halfling, or perhaps the archer and Gnome."
She turns her gaze to Kazrak, "Perhaps we should combine our wagons? Who knows, I might be able to teach you some civility."

'Lo, smiled as the final members of the caravan arrived, "It's a pleasure to speak to each of you. I understand that my position on this caravan is rather flexible, and as such, I will do my best to perform every duty that is required of us. However, I imagine the first duty is to prepare each of you with tonics to aid in any encounter that might occur during the evening."
She, with a movement that was as openly powerful as it was dainty, passed each of the party members a vial, containing an elixir that glowed with a similar hue to their dress.
"Each of this contains an infusion of magic, suited to areas which you will derive the most assistance." she said with the practiced voice of a hostess, or someone with practice, "One hour past dawn, I will distribute further extracts, or, should I be in something of a state, will have Jerald distribute them for me."
She turns to her current patron, an elegent, warm yet slightly practiced smile upon her face, "And for our esteemed patron, an elixir of Polypurpose Panacea, something that they might find enjoyable, as thanks."

Did a lot of number-crunching, and yeah, I got my skills in order after fixing the +14/+15 issue.

As for levels, I know that it's right, because I did everything at level 4 before I mislabeled the level as 5. Level 5's just the more common level for a Wizard.

Also, just realized that I have a +2 bonus on Disable Device checks from Trapfinding, which I removed the points from to put to Intimidate and Disguise (Which kinda makes more sense for a lady who knows makeup). I suppose the +2+1d6 to perception will be helpful to setting up Grial as the one to kill the traps, as the alternatives aren't great. Fluff-wise, it just makes more sense than having her have all the ranks in Disable Device, when chances are she was never particularly mechanics minded. If I feel like it'll be useful, I'll take it when we next level.

If I can't think of anything else to spend the slot on, I could just cast Mage Armor on her in the morning. If you're willing to splurge on a Rod of extend or a recharge thing, that's 8 hours of +4 armor. She's going to cast it on herself anyway.

Either way, I have my preliminary spell list done, and (I think I added to this sheet) my alchemical equipment, along with languages. Still have about 100 gp to spend (Aside from the gold she keeps on her person, but ya guys think 1000 gp is a bit too much?)

Edit: As for spirits, I think heavens was somewhat intended to be fluff-wise, I think it's somewhat due to her chaotic mind. The Dark Tapestry spirit might be more interesting for her personality, and crunch-wise summoning might be useful to keep all of us alive. Heck, it even has a thing that's basically mage armor.

Ok new plan. Loreli just talks all the enemies out of fighting. Bam! Campaign won.

If I can get a word in, then yeah, I'll do my best. But I doubt that'll work.

There's a way for me to focus a little heavier on Disguise at the cost of my bluff modifier (by swapping a trait and switching ranks over), but I would only get to +8 or so.

I think we shouldn't really need Disguise, but I can reach a +9 in disguise (4 rank +3 Class +2 Cha), and can add inspiration, for minimal investment (More ranks). I *might* take underworld inspiration later, which would allow Inspiration on disguise for free, but I'm not sure. Depends how she changes as she levels.

With someone else on Disable Device (Grial Storm Shadow), I should be able to redirect at least one rank into appraise, and more ranks in disguise.

However, presuming Lulu doesn't stay on her current configuration, then we'd end up lacking anyone with Slight of hand. I'd take ranks in it, but theft isn't really becoming of a lady, and I'm frankly not sure if we'll need it.

for stealth, LuLu is our go-to, who can hide like a cat.

If we need someone terrified, don't rely on Loreli- her measly +6 won't scare most folks. However, Chalkou has a +9 that becomes a +11 in darkness. So we can just lock the person we want to scare in a locked caravan with Chalkou until we hear them stop screaming.

I'm willing to try to help as a secondary DM, to supplement GM Architecture. I don't feel confident enough to serve as a primary DM, but I can help to supplement.

'Lo's morning was a slow and lovely one, as it always was. But today, she was well aware, was the day that she would adventure. A long travel, from one end of golarion to another, something so beauteous and interesting, like her father did!

She spent her morning the usual way, with some extra extravagance. She donned her traveler's outfit- A simple Emerald dress with white gloves, with a lovely blue bonnet. She had spent the last two days in this place, and she had purchased some fashionable accessories from the area, some Draconic Perfume, and some Crystal Sweet Concoctions. She felt her mind, usually racing, dull slightly, but a good first impression with a gentleman was of the utmost importance.

The young Azata guided her to the man, whose appearance was absolutely dreadful, were he a man. But he was a gipli, and for one, she had to remark he seemed a little bit dashing, with a spark of intelligence in his eyes that surprised her.

"Ah, it is a wonder meeting you, Mr Niels d'Geiger, I am Loreli Munte, daughter of Ms Lilac Munte, adopted daughter of Mr Munte, my escort here is known as Jereld. It's truly a wonder to meet you, sir, and I am thankful for allowing me to partake in this adventure, it means a lot to both me and my family."

Diplomacy: 1d20 + 17 + 2 + 2 + 2 + 1d6 ⇒ (9) + 17 + 2 + 2 + 2 + (3) = 35
+4 ranks, +3 class skill, +5 Int, +4 vs Humanoids (+2 if not), +2 through Fashionable Accessories, +2 with Draconic Perfume, and +2 from the concoction, +1d6 free inspiration. Might be much, but if this sets the tone for her correspondances, then she wants to set it high.

Comments on the formatting- I included my +2 vs humanoids to my sense-motive, as I don't think I'll have to roll that against plants and vampires too often, and I don't think it would be too useful not to.

Question about pre-game crafting and such: Does this apply to things, such as Downtime stuff? I'd like to purchase a bedroom, a bath, and a lavatory for a single cart (Enough to fill every square). I'd decorate them, but that's 900 extra GP involved in that.

Also, second question: Are we using Unchained Mundane Crafting for GP price calculation? I'm working under the assumption while I prepare my alchemical equipment.

Well fortune be with me! Loreli will actually see the light of the caravan!

I look forward to seeing how we can improve each other by cooperating.

TL;DR- She's a Wizard//Alchemist that dresses like a bard. Anyone want any specific buffs but Enlarge Person, and who can make sure that 'Lo won't be thrown into a pit of lava?

Added a bit more to the backstory. Personality doesn't seem to be gathering together, but I find that characters don't coalesce until they actually hit the pavement.

Either way, she just needs a spellbook/infusion book prepared,

I'm going to be in a car for the next 18 hours, so I won't be able to post, but this is 'Lo's page.

Bastard daughter of a noblewoman, adopted into the family. Her adopted father has died, so her mother has to re-marry. Realizing having a bastard half-orc daughter would make it not viable, they both decided to send her off on a grand adventure, as she had been trained in Wizardry and alchemy, and had already garnered something of a name for herself among Magnimars' noble elite for sussing out mysteries.

I'll add more to her page, and finish up purchases once I'm somewhere not driving, but as the deadline's tomorrow, I figure having the crunch out in the open is probably a good idea.

I enter a tavern and punch someone.

1d6 ⇒ 2

Gah, background isn't done to the ammount I'd like, but the outline stuff is done at least.

Alright, posting Bella Stone's character page- Still deciding between Steel Soul or Improved Initiative. Background fluff still needs done, but I'm getting tired- I'll work until I've fallen asleep, then edit it tomorrow morning.

Alright, name down (Most difficult part- Means Know Unknown in Romanian.)

And, the character idea is a woman who's sin is greed- but not of a monetary type. She claws, always, for no information, more, more, more. She claws, always to know more. Enough, that she clawed divine power with ease.

Functionally, she'll be a Cleric 1/Diviner 2/Mystic Theurge 2.
The issue is, it relies on spell like abilities to get off the ground without the Fate domain, and without racial heritage (Or MAYBE believers boon, if it's counted as Arcane), is this- I'd like to request to be able to trade my bonus feat and skill focuses for two spell like abilities.

As such, I've found two spells that fit her excedingly well- She's not exactly the most stable.
Which makes sense, since, at will, she can summon Most written knowledge into her head, and can speak with the bricks. twice per day (Or at will). Cost for them is 4 rp for each spell like ability twice per day, in place of the Skill Focuses and Bonus Feats of the human race.

AKA, she's crazy, and she's obsessively loves knowledge, and hoards it like a dragon holds gold, and defends it just as hard. Out of combat, her primary role will be knowledge monkey, between combat, her primary role will be buff monkey (So those without spells don't have to wait a day for their buffs), and in-combat, battlefield control to make others shine. (I don't like stabbing people.) Fighting is far more entertaining.