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If you don't use too much rouge, it'll bring out the best of your natural complexion.

I don't see why it would make you faint.


Pan wrote:
John Napier 698 wrote:
I think that the crux of the problem is that we have a bunch of self-important people having meltdowns when reality doesn't meet their expectations. I.e. "The World belongs to me alone, the rest of you peasants are unworthy to be in my presence." Or something similar.
Maybe, or it could just be one kick in the nuts too many for that person and they loose lose it. The entire world treats them like garbage from their perspective. Neither is a great place to be, but people get there.

Sorry; I know that it's a common error. Pet peeve.


"Kineticist Elements and Their There Sources of Power"

(sorry - pet peeve)


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Poison Dusk wrote:
You freed the slaves, and he said his peace piece about it.

Sorry: a pet peeve of mine.


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Persephone Zahariou wrote:

It's easy for one to loose himself"

He should really tighten himself up, or he'll be so loose that he'll lose himself entirely.


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Beating A Dead Horse wrote:
Annnnd there they're off


Ashiel wrote:

It literally defines evil as hurting, oppressing, and killing.

It doesn't get any clearer than that.

I'm assuming that you ignored my above post?

It defines evil as hurting, oppressing, and killing NOT hurting, oppressing, or killing.

Quite different. In the former (the actual definition) killing is in no way inherently evil.


Klara Meison wrote:
Grammar Cop wrote:
Klara Meison wrote:
Citation needed? Not saying that this isn't true, but I would like to know where it is written. My quick searches didn't turn up anything.

Check here for torture - alignment rules

it's mentioned as being a double step towards an evil alignment in the section "Ultimate Campaign on Alignment". Though the devs have also been in several threads before saying that it was evil as well.

I can't see anything as blatant there calling out slavery as evil, (though I believe I read it somewhere) it's implied several times in that same link.

Ex: One of the penances to become good is "•Freeing an oppressed, enslaved, or abused creature. " (and it has the 'or' there)

Ex: Freedom Fighter code is "You find tyranny and slavery the most intolerable crimes in existence" - saying that it is a crime in that context implies evil.

I suppose that I could see an argument for some slavery being LN so long as there are laws protecting the slaves from mistreatment, but that's probably more like an indentured servant in modern context anyway.

Replace torture with rape then, my point stands. By your logic actions that aren't specifically specified to be evil while being [hurts, opresses, not kills] aren't evil, and your only argument is that "and" is supposed to be a logical AND, not a grammatical conjunction "and". To me it sounds like you are just trying to find a way for paladins to murder things without losing their "no evil acts ever" status.

Flawed logic again.

I didn't ever say that the mention proved that killing WASN'T evil. I stated only that the rule you quoted didn't prove that it WAS.

Many other things prove that killing isn't inherently evil though.


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Klara Meison wrote:
Citation needed? Not saying that this isn't true, but I would like to know where it is written. My quick searches didn't turn up anything.

Check here for torture - alignment rules

it's mentioned as being a double step towards an evil alignment in the section "Ultimate Campaign on Alignment". Though the devs have also been in several threads before saying that it was evil as well.

I can't see anything as blatant there calling out slavery as evil, (though I believe I read it somewhere) it's implied several times in that same link.

Ex: One of the penances to become good is "•Freeing an oppressed, enslaved, or abused creature. " (and it has the 'or' there)

Ex: Freedom Fighter code is "You find tyranny and slavery the most intolerable crimes in existence" - saying that it is a crime in that context implies evil.

I suppose that I could see an argument for some slavery being LN so long as there are laws protecting the slaves from mistreatment, but that's probably more like an indentured servant in modern context anyway.


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Klara Meison wrote:
Grammar Cop wrote:
Klara Meison wrote:


>Allignmnet rules say: Evil: Evil implies hurting, oppressing, and killing others. Some evil creatures simply have no compassion for others and kill without qualms if doing so is convenient. Others actively pursue evil, killing for sport or out of duty to some evil deity or master.

>Evil implies hurting, oppressing, and killing others.

>killing others

Am I missing something?

It's because of "and" - which means that it has to include all three of the listed items.

1. hurting

2. oppressing

3. killing.

If it was meant that each one individually was evil then it would be "Evil implies hurting, oppressing, or killing others."

Killing without both hurting and oppressing is not inherently evil per that bit of Pathfinder rules.

So what, it is not evil to capture slaves and torture them to insanity as long as you don't acutally, you know, kill them?

Flawed logic. Note my post "is not inherently evil per that bit of Pathfinder rules". Just because that particular rule doesn't make it evil doesn't mean that it isn't evil.

Both slavery & torture have each been ruled as being inherently evil.


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Klara Meison wrote:


>Allignmnet rules say: Evil: Evil implies hurting, oppressing, and killing others. Some evil creatures simply have no compassion for others and kill without qualms if doing so is convenient. Others actively pursue evil, killing for sport or out of duty to some evil deity or master.

>Evil implies hurting, oppressing, and killing others.

>killing others

Am I missing something?

It's because of "and" - which means that it has to include all three of the listed items.

1. hurting

2. oppressing

3. killing.

If it was meant that each one individually was evil then it would be "Evil implies hurting, oppressing, or killing others."

Killing without both hurting and oppressing is not inherently evil per that bit of Pathfinder rules.

Though of note; it is also evil when one kills "without qualms if doing so is convenient" or "for sport or out of duty to some evil deity or master".


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If it's unwindable, then I'd suggest that you use batteries.


captain yesterday wrote:
Technically, I guess I'm a (non evil) crocodile God god of fertility, natty dreads and an impeccable taste in headwear.

Sorry - a pet peeve of mine. :P


calagnar wrote:
If your you're going to be playing a high level game, a lot of outsiders have trueseeing true seeing constant constantly. Their There is no worse feeling then to be useless, because the enemy is virtually immune to you.

True Seeing doesn't make you immune to all illusion magic. A good chunk of it, yes, but even that only out to 120ft. Patterns still work. Phantasms still work. Semi-real illusions work. All non-visual illusions work.


HWalsh wrote:

What are the other ways?

Become a God?

The word "god" in this case should be lower-case. The word "god" is only capitalized when referencing a monotheistic religion in which the term in interchangeable with their name, not when talking about polytheism. Obviously not the case here since it's "a" god.

Sorry - it's a very common mistake - but it's a pet peeve of mine.


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MendedWall12 wrote:
VampByDay wrote:
nerdrage about Paladins who loose their powers
I don't think I'm the only one here who thinks that it is a paladin's job to loose their powers... Loose your mighty smite upon all the evils and injustices in Golarion! Loose the breath of the gods upon those that would sully their name! Let loose the dogs of war, oh champion of the gods, let them loose!

One shouldn't lose their temper about how loose some GMs get about losing powers due to loose verbiage in how palis lose their powers.


blackbloodtroll wrote:
Sambo wrote:
blackbloodtroll wrote:
Shawn H wrote:
Johnny_Devo wrote:

Clearly this shouldn't work with a double-chained kama.

We're talking about an unchained monk here.

lol yeah I see the irony with it =P

That is a Coincidence, not Irony.

If it were, say, a weapon called the "Monk's Sword", but not only was the Monk not proficient, but could not Flurry with it, then that would be ironic.

You used incorrect capitalization, Mr. Grammar Nazi.

The capitalization was for emphasis. Also, there was no grammatical errors being pointed out. The framework and structure could be perfect, but the word could still be used to describe something that is not there.

For example: The rose is blue.
It is grammatically correct, but still untrue.

So, your "grammar nazi" quote comment is a pointless and irrelevant, as calling me a fish hoarder.

It is as he said. We of the grammar based constabulary allow no Nazis within our esteemed ranks.

He is being a stickler of vocabulary. Which, by calling him a Nazi for such behavior, it's obvious that you are not such as stickler. This is because Nazis were known for adjusting definitions to fit their agenda rather than being sticklers for them.


Quintain wrote:


Omnicide in the face of an apocalyptic event where having live victims be eaten by an escaped God that would use their souls to power his freedom from the planet to threaten the greater multiverse is a mercy.

The word 'god' should only be capitalized when referencing a monotheistic religion as in that case it is then interchangeable with their name.

I know it's a common mistake - but it's a pet peeve of mine.


LazarX wrote:
That's why you have Gods gods whose domains include...

"God" is only capitalized when referring to a monotheistic religion because it can take the place of their name. Sorry - pet peeve.


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Saldiven wrote:


(I'm trying to build a bear riding Dwarf Cavalier. Interestingly, the bear you can build as an AC has no relation to any bear in the Bestiaries..

I don't think that Dwarf Cavalier could carry the bear very far. ;P


Bandw2 wrote:
...would be funner to watch.

"would be more fun to watch."


Degnanigans wrote:
This prevents not only slit throats and daggers in the back, but also duals, arrests, ejections from the party, and righteous smiting.

I believe you meant 'duels'.


Bandw2 wrote:
Mathius wrote:
If tiny is your standard size then I would treat all sizes as 2 larger for game rule purposes.
just 1 size up would be proficient.

I believe you mean "sufficient" rather than "proficient".


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Fergie wrote:
or sweat talk the king, they "win"

That sounds gross & tiring.


master_marshmallow wrote:
Grammar Cop wrote:
master_marshmallow wrote:
Grammar Cop wrote:
master_marshmallow wrote:


The INT thing doesn't bother me, but that's because I don't believe in dumping stats, because I don't believe in point buy.
Point buy does exist. It's right in the rules. Believe!
I'm aware, but it isn't standard.
Actually - it is. It wasn't in 3.5, but in Pathfinder point-buy is the default method and rolling is the optional one.
Core Rulebook, pg 15, Generating Ability Scores wrote:

Standard: Roll 4d6, discard the lowest die result, and

add the three remaining results together. Record this total
and repeat the process until six numbers are generated.
Assign these totals to your ability scores as you see fit.
This method is less random than Classic and tends to
create characters with above-average ability scores.

It's the standard rolling method - that doesn't mean that rolling is the standard method to begin with.

There is also a standard point buy. (15 points)


master_marshmallow wrote:
Grammar Cop wrote:
master_marshmallow wrote:


The INT thing doesn't bother me, but that's because I don't believe in dumping stats, because I don't believe in point buy.
Point buy does exist. It's right in the rules. Believe!
I'm aware, but it isn't standard.

Actually - it is. It wasn't in 3.5, but in Pathfinder point-buy is the default method and rolling is the optional one.


master_marshmallow wrote:


The INT thing doesn't bother me, but that's because I don't believe in dumping stats, because I don't believe in point buy.

Point buy does exist. It's right in the rules. Believe!


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Insain Dragoon wrote:
But at least I didn't die a theif.

No one does - considering that "theif" isn't a word.


Always use commas when needed!


voska66 wrote:
It's just change to the letters and the diety they worship. Now explaining why a God is giving powers to cleric who is not a vampire will require some explaining.

Change "God" to "god". The word "god" is only capitalized when used in reference to a monotheistic religion because in that case, saying "God" is equivelant to saying their name.

This is in the same way that "dad" is lowercase when talking about dads in general, but when used in place of a name, it is capitalized. Ex. "Hey Dad, can you teach me about the ancient greek gods?"

(Sorry - a pet peeve of mine.)