Well, sorry. I dont really post here. I think this is only my second thread i've ever posted here about. I didnt know where else to ask for help.
If you truly believe that my thread is how to completely screw over my player, then you havent read anything i've posted. I want to pare down his request while still giving him some of his wish.
mess with != screw over.
no, that's not what i meant, i meant that the d4 would decide his fate from a few options listed in this thread. There are several ways I can handle his wish that I particularly like in this thread, perhaps a random roll will determine which we go with. I'll likely either let the player decide or see if he wants to let the dice decide.
As of right now, the plan is to give him 2 or 3 options, none being directly the exact wish that he requested. 1 option being the quest-to-receive the wish option, that way he gets what he wants but not NOW. It will take time to get to it and probably at least a couple more levels worth of time.
Other options will be presented as well, i particularly like the aging one if I'm being mean. ;) I'll let him choose which one he likes. Each will have somewhat of a setback from his original wish since it is overpowered as written. Who knows, maybe I'll make him roll for which one happens and don't tell him til its rolled, maybe 4 potential options and make him roll a d4 and let the dice decide his fate.
That's actually the one we used was the harrowed deck. I had forgotten which we actually used since I looked at a few different ones. I wanted to mix it up from what the players were used to with D&D.
Fake Healer wrote:
Incorrect. As I stated earlier, I removed several of the horrible deck cards. As his wish is currently written, that's way too OP for his level and the wish itself.
Though one option I am toying with the idea of giving him his full wish and tying it to his backstory that we will eventually get to fulfilling. Perhaps if he completes his family quest, that will result in an item that lets him do his SLA Permanency. That way he doesnt have it NOW, but he will get it eventually. Perhaps his quest results in his enlightenment allowing that ability.
If my player reads this, let me know what you think about this alternative since we may head to completing your side quest sooner than later.
Thank you! I thought that by paring down my question to just the bare bones would have been more appreciated than a tl;dr version, but I guess that went over some people's heads.
That is very true. I did leave in quite a large number of the good effects. But, I did it in a very specific reasoning to let my players have some good in the game and feel like they were getting something special. I've always liked when GMs in the past have done things to benefit players extraordinarily.
Agreed. I like the 1x per day as well as a compromise. I'll let the player decide though since its his wish.
Next time if you don't want people to "jump to conclusions" don't say "How do I mess with this" and more "How do I come up with an alternate version of this" and give all the info at once instead of trickling it out a little at a time.
Guess that's my bad, i didnt figure a few people for being jerkish to me for something that's fairly common in gaming (GMs messing with wish to some extent), so i felt the need to constantly clarify things that were said or I didnt think needed to be said.
My thanks to those who did give reasonable alternatives though.
Actually, I was quite generous in the deck and took out many of the absolutely horrible point of no return cards, since I introduced it early on for fun. We used an alternate form of the deck. I think the worst that happened to the players was this same player who now turns into a random animal when he lies.
Just for the clarification for everyone involved, the player has a link to this thread so he can read the responses, I even told him I was posting it here. We were planning on coming up with a reasonable way to screw with it TOGETHER, but as usual people jump to conclusions. He knew fully well that GMs screw with the request to some extent.
For the record, I'm a she, not a he - as i was referred to earlier in the thread.
edit to add: as I stated earlier, I plan on compiling a list of reasonable alternatives. Next session I will present him with the alternatives to the request and let him decide which one he'd rather have. As it stands right now, I do not feel comfortable with the way its written. I'd rather let him have a similar or alternate version of his wish than to let it poof in smoke.
Well aren't you a peach? Who said I was on a power trip? It's called having FUN with players. If you arent there to have fun and only min max, what's the point?
edit to add: The truth of the matter is, the way the wish was given to me is too over powered for the way wish is written. The more you add to it, the more it has the capability to go wrong. Your rudeness to me was un-necessary nor do you know the dynamic of my group. This is a group of people who have fun, so me messing with his wish slightly is not being a tyrant, it's having fun as a first time DM after being a player for over 20 years.
Renata Maclean wrote:
I get your point, but I disagree. Is it powerful? Yes, but that's part of the fun of playing in our group. I like characters to feel like they are huge parts of a puzzle and if that means letting them have something powerful in return, so be it. I've been in far too many groups where you get nothing magical ever and its just so dull and boring. That's why I'm looking to downgrade his request into something a bit more reasonable but yet within his request.
I'd meet him in the middle. "It's just a single Wish, it lacks the power to give you such an ability at will. You have three free permanencies, use them wisely."
I really like this. I feel like its a bit too powerful for a 5th level character, but i dig this. I'm compiling all the suggestions and will see what works without completely screwing over his wish.
We actually didnt use official deck of many things, we used a 3rd party one that i liked better. We're playing semi-off book. Sorry I probably should have specified that :)
Drew from the deck of many things, player drew the card with a wish. He cashed in his wish request tonight with the following wish, how can I mess with it?
I wish to have a spell-like ability to cast the spell "permanency" at
Ah yes that's right, he did say he was a synthesis summoner. Thanks :)
I am a newbie DM that just started a Pathfinder group. Most of us are newbies to Pathfinder except one guy.
He also is taking his evolution for flight, which, if i'm reading the rules correctly is not available to his eidolon until 5th level..