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Ah! Ok thank you for the replies! Yea I did get the two mixed up and that makes a lot more sense now lol.


I am pretty sure this is a really simple question. So when a Barbarian rages they "She also gains 2 temporary hit points per Hit Die." according to the Core Rule Book.

If a Barbarian's health is 12 (the maximum hit die for a Barbarian) does that mean they get 24 temporary hit die on top of the 12 they have already?


Im suprise no one said it yet.
Goblins have politicians?


Yea I have contemplated on starting off as a lv1 Fighter & then go straight Summoner from there for exactly the reasons you stated Darkwolf. I kind of want my Eidolon to be in the thick of things as well to further portray the bond they have together. "Stand together never alone" or the cliche "I'll never leave your side" kind of deal. If I must I am willing to make her a Valkyrie styled Eidolon and perhaps changed a bit of my character's back story to fit. Something like two soldiers wedded on the eve of battle but tragically it was short lived.


Oh! I forgotten about the favored class options!
Ty! This looks promising indeed!


I think at the moment my main issue is making an Eidolonless Summoner not useless to the party since the class is so heavily reliant on the Eidonlon & fairs poorly with multiclassing.


Hm... ok so very important question if I dont multiclass. How does a Summoner fair without an Eidolon? If dipping into another class isn't viable then ill probably focus on Strength & Charisma?

The Angel type Eidolon does look promising. Initially I was thinking of a magical "tank" like Eidolon with some magical offensive capability, using Magic Shields & Debilitating Magic. (Looking at exactly what they can do atm. A little confusing lol) But I don't want her OP or overshadowing the party. Basically it would be a fighter/mage duo when the Eidolon is summoned.


Hello! Currently I am the GM for my group but that doesn't stop me from still making characters that I plan on playing one day! :D

I already settled on a main character but I do have another concept in mind but I know little about Summoners except that they seem to be complicated to build. Now add my concept and I don't know how to go about this build & still have it be viable.

The character is a soldier when he is sent off to war shortly after he was married to a young & beautiful bride. After many years he returns alive from the war only to find that his wife passed on due to illness.

This character isn't fully fleshed out but I was thinking of a Fighter/Summoner Hybrid if that was feasible. But the main point is that he is a fighter first & only calls for his Eidolon in dire situations. I am not sure but is there a way for an Eidolon to be summoned without actually being summoned? EX: Fighter's life is in peril & the Eidolon appears to protect him.

Anyways the most important detail is when he does finally reveal his Eidolon it appears as a ghostly young but beautiful woman. Essentially his own wife became an Eidolon for her husband. I wasn't able to find much about where Eidolons came from so I thought this approach might be alright. I would like her to be a strong compliment to her husband as if she completes him when summoned.

Any suggestions?


I see Charm & Compulsion in my Core Rulebook. Is this something in another book like Ultimate Magic?


Oh is that a crafting thing? Sorry I'm pretty new to this.


Ty all for your imput! ^^ I do believe I have settled on 4 Rogue/3 Fighter & I will definately check into Dervish Dance!

Quick question. Weapon Finesse allows me to use my Dexterity to give me better accuracy yes? And the Dervish Dance then allows me to use Dexterity for damage?


Urban Ranger + Barbarian doesn't sound like my character at all though. What an odd mix to boot.


So Im guessing 4 rogue 3 fighter would be the best path for me towards duelist? I am like the evasion & dodge a lot not to mention the 2 free feats. The bonus skills like Byrd says definitely seems to be what I am looking for. Then I can focus solely on Duelist afterwards. :)

Did I get that right?


That is a shame about the Rogue but I am glad there is the Duelist that I can go to and I do hope they improve the Rogue class... It's kind of weird to have a weak class like this. O.o


Hm I thought Two-Weapon Fighting helps balance the weaker BAB. In any case I prefer more Role Playing rather than Roll Playing and the other classes doesn't give off the vibe I desire.

Of course I don't want to be useless either so are rogues really that bad? :(


Disappoint how? D:

EDIT: Even when going lv5 Rogue, lv3 Fighter ---> Duelist?


Ooh and as a bonus I have the book for a Weapon Master Fighter - I do believe I prefer that route & I'll grab Weapon Finesse on my Rogue using Finesse Rogue.


Ah... good ole Batman...

"Vengeance blackens the soul, Bruce. I've always feared you would become that which you fought against. You walk the edge of that abyss every night, but you haven't fallen in and I thank heaven for that."

Sounds rather similar to my character that is for sure. :D And bonus for it being True Neutral as well!


-_- ugh... I had planned on that being one of my final books based on the reviews.


Ack! I just noticed Magus isn't in the APG. Which book is this class from?


Hm True Neutral... It's whats on my character sheet atm since I wasn't sure but sounds like me. Though I also thought Neutral meant indifferent to good - evil, law - chaos. I wish the Alignments had sub categories or something to explain the different types of Neutrals or other alignments.

I'll read over the Urban Rangers & Lore Warden Fighter. Who knows they could very well fit better for my character. :)


Funny that you mentioned Duelist because I was planning to indeed evolve into one when I had the appropriate skills. I am still trying to figure out that "special" something that makes his swordsmanship superior but it would likely be something he discovers as he matures since there is no living teacher and all his knowledge comes from his earlier training & days of watching his brothers & father.

I'll take a look over of the Magus since I just got the Advanced Player's Guide.


Just felt like the class suited my character more.

I wanted a light on his feet acrobatic swordsman. Much like Syrio Forel from Game of Thrones. My character's personality just "felt" more roguish to me as well so that is why I choose this class.


Hello all! I am new to Pathfinder & I am currently making my first character whom I selected will be a Rogue. One of the issues I am having with him is finding out what alignment he falls into.

He has a set of loose principles in that he values fair 1 v 1 combat when it is called for but at the same time will break these values if it means to protect his friends. This makes him sound Chaotic Good however...

He isn't above murder should he feel someone is corrupt (ex: a Noble or Knight attacking a peasant girl because she accidentally tore his fancy cape.) In which case he has little qualms with openly murdering someone. Even if someone was using Blackmail against a friend he would create an "accidental" death and would hide any involvement with the murder from his friends. This sounds more evil to me.

So is he perhaps a Chaotic Neutral character? I am not sure. :(

EDIT: If it helps I'll a bit of back story & future goals to this character.

He was born to a noble house of famous swordsman but at a young tender age an opposing house legally slaughtered his family through "duels" to prove who had the superior swordsmanship even though it has been rumored that there may have been cheating going on. A loyal vassal hides the young master fearing that he may be targeted as well. The vassal himself is in fact is a leader of a Thieve's Guild much akin to Robin Hood & thus my character learns most of his more dishonest skills though him & takes his last name to hide his own.

His goal is to prove to the world that his family's swordsmanship is indeed the best in the world and plans to reclaim his family's honor. He knows that by doing so a lot of blood of nobles whom he feels is corrupt will be spilled but has little qualms about doing so & does not worry about the possible consequences of these actions.