Azothath wrote:Let's not go stealing extra bases here. I don't think anyone's agreed that improvised weapons are considered valid targets for magic weapon. I think they're most definitely not considered weapons. ...
If a caster can target an Improvised Weapon with Magic Weapon then I cannot see saying NO to an intended weapon-like object (alchemical weapon). The obvious answer is it says "Weapon" in the title.
It was a logical statement (If A then B, then B'.) as one of the arguments supporting the usage. The second statement was another 'prima facie' supporting argument based on clearly obvious titles.
on Improvised Weapons (discussing the first conditional statement)
Reviewing the Weapons link to AoN I don't see anything denying that Improvised Weapons are not weapons, quite the opposite. Is there text in RAW that clearly states that Improvised Weapons are not weapons? They are in the Weapon section of the CRB. Again, this hails back to the fact that the game treats it as a Use Case. Please don't quote RAW about objects as they are not weapons. Secondly, the weapon list is a subset of defined specific examples so that will not prove anything for this wider argument based on CRB text.
I'm not going to debate whether the bonus applies, I feel that's a distraction from meeting the targeting requirement of a spell. If targeting can be validated for the wider Use Case of Improvised Weapons then that will allow Alchemical Weapons.
The second statement just takes things at face value. Are Alchemical Weapons weapons? It's a very simple argument that relies on the term Weapons being used in the title and descriptions along with details in the usage of the items (to hit, range increments, etc). It's akin to asking, Are 'spotted dogs' dogs?