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As said earlier I would like to try weapon skills out with you guys. This would be a more organic and realistic approach with how weapons and combat is viewed but we've already taken the first step with DR armor. As said earlier this would eliminate BAB and you would receive a number of combat skill points based on your BAB. 1/2 getting 2 per level, 3/4 getting 4, and full getting 6, with the exception of fighters receiving 8.
The weapon proficiencies would declare the weapons as eligible for class skills. Weapon Focus would be replaced by skill focus. The skills themselves would be:
Axes
Heavy Blades
Finesse Blades
Small Blades
Bows
Shields
Crossbows
Flails
Hammers
Clubs
Unarmed
Thrown
Natural
(Exotic Weapon)
Polearms
Spears
We would also need to include some others for spellcasting:
Casting (Touch)
Casting (Ray)
Casting (Other?)
Derived statistics would be calculated using the skill rank in place of the BAB and every weapon would have its own stat. This means more book keeping but ultimately more realistic and I think more rewarding.
One last thing to note. I believe another skill would be important too. This would (for lack of better term) be a Dodge skill. Since we are eliminating most AC. This would be another active skill in combat which would result in another rolled skill for you action and a fluctuating AC but presents more realism for these combats. Anything with a Deflection or Sacred bonus would affect the Dodge Skill so when ever you roll a combat action it would look something like...
How does this sound?
cool.
What skill is for combat maneuvers?
With the DR setup as i understand it, AC from armor is cut about in half, so it's not THAT big a hit especially for lighter armors.
How do we calculate the bonus to the dodge roll? The system in place has that sort of mechanic but its assumed to just be taking a 10.
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you would use your skill for that weapon adding in any subsequent feats or circumstance bonuses. So if someone is trying to disarm your rapier your would use your skill in light blades.
if this skill as it is set up armor is strait DR/-, splitting it up would just get confusing.
Dodge would be a dex based skill and would have combat skill points used to calculate it farther and increase your AC.
without the relevent armor proficiency feat the weapon would be considered an untrained skill and improvised incurring a -4 penalty to the skill.
Guns would also be a skill.
Okay, so I would get 4 combat skill points per level (plus intelligence?) so I could put 1 point each in Casting (Touch), Casting (Ray), Heavy Blades (sword-cane), Guns, and Dodge?
is there some sort of cap on how many points you can have in each weapon based on class? or can everyone basically function at Full BAB with a weapon or two?
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Is ranged touch and touch the same weapon skill, or are they different? Is dodge a weapon skill or regular skill? What other casting attacks are there?? I'm guessing anything requiring an attack roll, can anyone else think of any that's not a touch, ranged touch or ray?? Just wondering so I don't hurt myself.
When I get the ability to respec at level 7, will weapon skills be able to be respecd as well?
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imimrtl-since your struck with the tony stark/bruce wayne syndrome you can choose for your occupation between the academic one listed previously or Dilettante which would give you a +1 to one skill of the following bluff, sense motive, knowledge (local), ride or linguistics. This would be a class skill, 1 more merit point for purposes of your reputation, and 600 gp
And I think a sword cane would fall under the category of light blades.
You will have to classify the weapons then. Are all one-handed blades light blades? And two-handed blades would be heavy?
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So, anything but regular armor adds to doge, right? Including mage/inertial armor?? I put a point in ranged touch and a point in dodge for level 1.
So my size bonus+dex+inertial armor+1 (weapon proficiency) is my total for doge - being a +9 total?
For my ranged touch I add +1+dex for 4 total.
Do these look correct?
Jerall doesn't have an occupation Stated out?
I don't know what those stats are.
RIght, how does dodge bonus work? is that what's in the variant rules section?
Jerall's an academic taking his +1 in Linguistics, Diplomacy, and History/Local.
There's also +100gp, and one bonus feat, right? i'll pick tat out and update my profile
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As far as weapons, and dodge, Where do i get the points to put in Dodge, and how big a bonus does Skill Focus as a weapon skill go?
Weapons
-Finesse Blades
-Shields
-(Exotic Weapon) Whip
-Casting (Touch)
I have two more points to add.
How many points can I put into dodge?
--and are those one of my weapon skill points
and can i put points into CMB?
--and does that affect both CMB and CMD?
What is the bonus for my whip focus feat? Is it a +1 like weapon training, or +3 like Skill Focus?
Apologies to everyone. My laptop is on the fritz, so I wont' be able to post every day. Trying now, for every other day. It will mean more to read, and there will be exceptions where I can post every day. But having to borrow someone else's computer makes it more difficult. :P
Yeah, I have a tablet. It's 'annoying, but doable'... though I prefer an actual computer with keyboard. My roommate is letting me use his occasionally, so I'm mostly good.
Dotting for interest. I'll probably be creating a character in the 1-6 weeks depending on demands from other games I'm playing or when my current game with DaWay comes to a close.
Now there has been a lot to go over for character creation so I've taken the liberty of consolidating all the obvious or particular information for everybody's benefit! Mind you it's just what I've gathered as a 3rd party so at best this will be a starting point.
DaWay - I'll email the raw/formatted page to you and you can put it up on the on the campaign info page after cleaning it up and modding it to your specifications. Or you can delete it or whatever, that's your prerogative.
Character Creation:
All "0" level races are allowed.
15 pt buy
Absolutely no CE or NE characters
2 traits (for now)
Wealth is rolled
Gestalt allowed at double XP
ONLY the Dreamscarred press psionics rules will be allowed as 3PP material.
All Pathfinder RPG material can be used (No 3.5)
All classes gain +2 skill points/level
Adding skills (Computer, Drive, Various Knowledges)
Adding Character Occupations (DM decision on a PC by PC basis)
Additional Traits
Cybernetics
Buyable Rewards:
Attribute Score Boost (Increased Stat x1 CDP)
Additional Occupation (10 CDP)
Save Stat Increase (Increased Stat x3 CDP)
Additional Traits (3 CDP)
More Use of Class Abilities (Current Use x5 CDP)
Increase DC of current Class Ability by 1 (Current DC/2 x1 CDP)
Additional Feat (5 CDP)
Additional Hit Point (3 CDP)
Additional Hero Point (8 CDP)
Merit Points (Value x2 CDP)
Buying Off a Flaw (Value x3 CDP)
Skill Points (Current Value CDP)
New Skill (3 CDP)
Windfall of 1000 gp (10 CDP)
Merits & Flaws: Each character begins with 10 merit points for bonuses to your character and 7 points of flaws that can either be used to buy more merits or exchanged for CDPs.
Acute Senses (2) Choose either Acute Hearing, Smell & Taste, Sight for +2 to Perception tests related to those senses or +1 to Disable Device with Acute Tactile Sense
Alluing (1) something captivating about your character. add +1 to skills using charisma when others may be attracted to you. This may be purchased up to three times.
Ally (1-3) You have developed close personal friendships. This is someone who will occasionally help you out. for 1 average skills, 2 good range of skills and moderately influencial, 3 highly skilled/influencial
Ambidextrous.(2) reduce penalties when using both hands independantly by 1. Thus two weapon fighting with light weapons is -1/-1
Authority (1-4) 1. Supervisory Position 2. Department Manager 3. Regional Directorship 4. National Directorship
Commendation (1-3) you begin with a special distinction. At some point prior to the beginning you performed beyond the call of duty. 1. Distinguished Servive Medal. 2. Meritorious Service Medal 3. Purple Heart
Common Senses (2) The GM will act as your voice of reason
Contact (1-3) You have established a relationship with someone with an organization who can occasionally provide you with information. 1. 2 contacts of low ranking position 2. Two contacts of of mid level or 1 middie and 2 lower 3. Two contacts of high ranking or any combination of the previous
Driven (2) You will be given two bonus rerolls to use at any time during missions.
Double Jointed (1) +2 to escape artist checks
Efficient Immune System (1) +2 to resist disease
Efficient Metabolism (1) +2 to resist effects of poisons and drugs
Egghead (2) Choose one skill - Craft, Knowledge, Heal. recieve +2 bonus on these checks
Eidetic Memory (3) You have nearly photographic memory. Rolls to recall various information including bardic knowledge recieves +6 bonus
Elite (4) you come from a presitigious or old money family and you are treated as such
Famous Incident (1-3) People recall you for your past deeds 1. Important to your organization 2. Important to several organizations 3. Important country
Fast (2) +5 feet to your speed and +1 to your reflex
Fearless (2) +8 to checks to resist fear
High Pain Threshold (3) -1 to your health level check penalties
Innovative (2) 2 hero points to use when using a skill in an innovative and creative way per mission
Internal Clock (1) You always know within 10 minutes what time it is
Internal Compass (1) Always know where you are, where you've been, and how to get between the two
Luck (3) Once a mission you may roll a skill 3 times and take the best. This may be taken up to three times
Minor Empathy (2) +2 to Sense Motive Bluff Diplomacy skills
Muse (1) Pick one performance type. when aiding another in that type of performance they get +5 instead of +3. This may be taken multiple times but applied to other art forms
Natural Athlete (2) +2 to acrobatics, climb or swim skills
Nightvision (3) you recieve darkvison of 60'
Peripheral Vision (1) +2 to Perceptions to avoid surprise or traps
Quick Healer (3) You recover more quickly than most gaining your level + double your con mod per night.
Sexy Voice (1) +1 to charisma checks in which your voice is used on those that might be attracted to you. this may be taken up to three times.
Shrewd (2) You brillant negotiator you. When involved in business situation you recieve +2 to appraise, diplomacy or profession checks.
Wary (2) Intuitive sense for dangerous situations. You get a free perception check rolled by me the GM on any dangers in addition to the one you recieve.
Wealth (1-4) 1, Wealthy and of the upper class. 2. Rich and a millionaire 3. Very wealthy/Multi-Millionaire 4. Fabulously wealthy and billionaire
Lucid Dreamer (3) You have the Ability to wake up inside your own dreams and take a +4 to any rolls inside your own dreams or dreaming magic
Amnesia (4) you suffer from Psychogenic fugue
Big Ego (1) You are a superior being-not beeter at everything just better than others overall. -1 to any checks where personal appeal comes into play because of your condescending attitude. May be taken up to three times.
Chronic Pain (2) Old injury occasionaly flares up. Take -1 penalty to all tests for the next 1d4 hours.
Code (1-3) You have a particular code of ethics you follow. This is 1 pt per 2 codes you keep. such as I Always keep my word or I accept any challenge to singe combat. You define them
Compulsive Behavior (1-3) 1. Minor Compulsion -1 to tests if prevented from carrying out compulsion at least three to five times daily. 2. 5-8 times a day, -2 tests. 3. 8-12 times a day, -4 tests
Coward (2) -2 to penalty to fear
Damaged (2) You are damaged goods. Wrongdoing growing up, what ever, Your world view is a little off.
Dark Secret (1-3) 1. Embarrassing 2. Hazardous 3. Dangerous
Debt (1-4) You owe money. 1. You are lower class. 2. Just scraping by. 3. Impoversished and rarely eat real meals living off the generosity of others. 4. Dirt Poor
Delusions (2) Your world view contains elements that simply arent true
Depressive (2) At the begining of every "scene" Roll a Will Save DC 20 or be depressed for 1d4 hours and suffer -1 penalty to all checks and you are not allowed to reroll any checks during that period.
Disgraced (4) your family has a traitor and people know it
Duty (1-3) 1. a regular job 2. Military 3. Politician
Fanatical (1-3) [/b] 1. YOu would defend an Ideal even if it would place you in a tense situation 2. Willing place self in great danger 3. you will die for what you believe in
Fat (2) -1 reflex, -1 on dex skills
Foe (1-3) 1, Foe is less skilled 2. Foe is as skilled as you 3. foe is more skilled
Grating Voice (1-3) -1 to checks in which your voice is involved in influencing others. may be taken up to three times.
Greed (3) You want power and wealth. roleplay it.
Habit (1-4) Expect withdrawals and penalties if you dont get your addiction sated 1. minor addiction 2. Moderate addiction 3. Major Addiciton 4. total addiction
Hunted (1-4) 1. Small and limited organization after your character. 2. Medium sized 3. powerful like the hellknights 4. powerful and has a long reach
Impetuous (2) You prefer action
Ineptitude (2) Pick a skill that you have tried (skill points in)you cannot ever put more than 1 point in that skills. Multiple times. Differnet skill
Jealous (2) -2 to charisma if someone possess something you want
Lazy (3) You want to do as little as possible.
Low Pain Threshold (3) additional 1 penalty to health level penalties
Manic (2) mood swings are us. Will save DC 20 or suffer -1 skill checks for 1d4 hours
Mean (2) great pleasure in the pain of others
Mute (3) You can't talk
Mystically Void (4) -2 to any checks vs spell or psionic abilities
Oath (1-3) Celibacy (1) Humility (1) Obedience (3) Poverty (2) Silence (2) Pacifism No kill (1)
Pacifism self defense (2) Pacifism no harm (3) love one person forever (1) marry specific race (1)
Vegetarianism (1)
Obsessive (2) you get stuck on things. -1 test till that thing is done
Phobia (1-3) 1. Minor phobia -1 to checks whin in presence 2. Major -2 3. Severe -4
Prejudice (2)
Repellent (1) You be ugly. -1 to cha checks involving interacting with people. up to three times
Rival (2)
Sensory Impaired (2) -2 to specific preception checks
Short Fuse (2) Bad Temper
Skinny (2) -1 checks on str
Slow (2) -5 feet speed, -1 reflex save
Slow Healing (3) only recieve level in hitpoints a day
Tired (2) Chronic Fatige. You need 10 hours sleep or suffer -1 to checks
Truly Honest (2) You need to tell the truth
Vengeful (1-3) 1. Unless you seek out your foe you will rarely cross their paths 2. Cross regularly 3. very regularly
Watched (1-3) by an organization 1. casuually 2. tracked 3. regularly scrutinized
Call of the Void (4) Perhaps you invoked the name of Hastur or got a particulary powerful artifact but you are regularly affected with nightmares. Succeed a Will save DC 20 once a month or slowly succumb to madness
Dream Barren (3) you do not dream. -2 when in a dream scape or when dream magic is used against you
Misfit (1-4) 1. you get weird looks 2. you dont fit in at some places. 3. as a rule people treat you differently 4. you're a freak
Shadow Walker (3) Dangerous things seem to be drawn to you
The weapon proficiencies would declare the weapons as eligible for class skills. Weapon Focus would be replaced by skill focus. BAB related feats would just require that amount of skill points in the chosen weapon. The skills themselves would be:
Axes
Blades, finesse
Blades, heavy
Blades, small
Bows
Clubs
Crossbows
Exotic Weapon
Flails
Guns
Hammers
Natural
Polearms
Shields
Spears
Thrown
Unarmed
CMB & CMD
We would also need to include some others for spellcasting:
Casting (Touch)
Casting (Ray)
Casting (Other?)
Derived statistics would be calculated using the skill rank in place of the BAB and every weapon would have its own stat. This means more book keeping but ultimately more realistic and I think more rewarding.
Dodge skill - Since we are eliminating most AC. This would be another active skill in combat which would result in another rolled skill for you action and a fluctuating AC but presents more realism for these combats. Anything with a Deflection or Sacred bonus would affect the Dodge Skill. ACP also applies to your total dodge skill bonus.
*Clerics automatically get 1 point in their deities favored weapon per level*
You take the armor, say Chainmail (usually a +5 to AC) Divide by 2 and round down to get the DR, and subtract that from the AC bonus to get the new bonus. Chainmale has AC+3, DR/-2
Then you have a secondary AC value that represents a strike accurate to get past the DR, which is the original value +the DR amount.
DR overlaps, as opposed to stacking unless it is of the same type so if you penetrate DR/magic for example, but the creature has DR bludgeoning, you are still subject to the bludgeoning DR unless you hit it with that sort fo damage. So you go through and apply the highest DR, and see if you get through it. If not, it doesn't matter if you get by the lower ones, you've already been subject to a higher DR. if you do pass it, you get to deal with the next highest DR... hope that wasnt too convoluted...
my idea for a variant health system is to make it a little more gritty and show characters struggling with wounds. I have never liked the "I got 2 hp, I'm good to go mentality" So my idea is as follows.
characters would receive there con SCORE plus hit die to start.
these would be divided into 5 categories which would represent different health "levels" essentially they would be a 0, -1, -2, -4, and -8 level. These would affect what you wanted to do in combat such as attacking, skill points, and concetration checks. The levels representing pain and fatigue. They hp would be divided equally into each category and after the first level you would roll for hp normally and then divide that into the categories.
For example. Fighter with 13 con would have 23 points to start. that would 5 points in 0, 5 in -1, 5 in -2, 4 in -4, and 4 in -8. When he levels he rolls 1d10 +1 for his level and then starts placing those points in each level.
I know this is complicated but it has worked decently in the past to convey the danger is very real feeling. Questions? Thoughts? Concerns?
They "levels" have names for some of them like 0 is "fine", -1 is "Bruised", "?" for -2, -4 "Hurt", -8 "Mauled"
Awesome job Johnny!
I am facing some serious work- and life-related issues at the moment. Posting may be difficult for a week or so. :(
No problem. I put it together so I knew how to draw a character for this game and figured it could be used for everyone's benefit if needed. The Armor as DR and Variant Health are the only pieces I'm worried about. I'm not quite sure what was settled on so I just put up what I'm guessing is right.
Just a few things I have questions on:
Ranks in Unarmed skill and Imp. Unarmed Strike feat. What is the relation between the two? Maybe ranks let you throw a punch for nonlethal damage without provoking an AoO and the feat gives you the option to make it lethal?
Are CMB and CMD one skill or 2? Also how does CMD work with the Dodge skill?
Does Skill focus (Weapon XYZ) give a +1 or a +3? Pretty sure I know the answer but I just want to be sure.
Variant Health and Toughness feat and Favored class bonus to HP.
That's all for now. I have about 75% of a sheet and a rough concept down. Just waiting on few things to either come together or fall apart. Good luck, everybody!
Awesome, thanks. Let me know if there are any glaring issues with what I emailed you if you can.
So, If i've got 14 str, weapon skill point in whips, and skill-focus whips, that gives me a +4 or a +6 to whip attacks?
and for weapon based combat maneuvers, i use my whip skill, so i disarm and trip with that bonus, right?
I have returned, after facing the nightmare known as Real World Logistics... =( Lets just say I don't really want to talk about that, but I am interested in knowing where we are and if we want me back in there?
And if you do, if anyone would mind pausing a moment so we can re-evaluate our character strengths and weaknesses and determine the best roles for them. Saliger, although a student, has better knowledge rolls than I do, but if I max out diplomacy and/or performance (oratory), I might be the Voice of the group. :P
Okay, I need to get caught up....
1) I was interested in the coded book... lol.
2) I know you all fled the scene when something happened, but not sure what I did... lol.