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Are you able to use another weapon, say a hand crossbow, in the same hand you are using a wrist launcher with?
The thought of a Kasatha octo-wielding was just too delicious of an idea, but I wanted to make sure it could be a thing first.
Since the launcher doesn't use a hand, and doesn't say that it prevents another weapon from being in the hand of that arm, you should be able to.
However, a launcher does not grant you extra attacks. If you want to take more attacks than you have iteratives, you'll need Multi-Weapon Fighting, but that only takes you up to one attack per arm plus up to three iteratives with the main hand. I don't know of any way you could fire four hand crossbows and four wrist launchers at once. If you just want to carry them, go for it :-)
So, you could use a hand crossbow and a wrist launcher on the same arm, but keep in mind that normal humanoids have only two "metaphysical" hands and a Kasatha has only 4 metaphysical hands.
Metaphysical hands represents hands of effort, and every creature has only 1 main hand, others are always off-hands.
So, even if you were a Kasatha you could only make 4 shots with 4 different weapons regardless of the fact that you could hold 4 hand crossbows and have 4 wrist launchers on.
Well, darn. Thanks for the quick replies, guys, even if they were dream crushing.
It's still probably going to be capped at 4 attacks, though, from the way the other replies are reading.
I think the idea was first round 4 bolts, then afterwards switch to the rapiers instead of reloading.
Do the "hands of effort"/"metaphysical hands" stop one from using the wrist launcher on that "hand" and then using same hand to reload the wrist launcher on the other hand? Or is the metaphysical hands thing only to prevent extra attacks? If no issues, decent way to do TWF bolt ace build with crossbows (besides tube arrow shooter of course).
Only to prevent extra attacks.
Excellent!
I think you'll have more problem in that a wrist launcher is a full round action to reload.
But no, having used that hand to fire a weapon does not preclude you from using it reload another weapon.
There is also the issue that a wrist launcher isn't a crossbow though, so it wont work with bolt ace abilities that specify crossbow.
You can try to convince your GM that the heavy wrist launcher is just a wrist mounted hand crossbow... But if were your GM I would see that you're basically trying to convert your dual wielding gunslinger into a dual wielding hand crossbowman. All the tricks that let you dual wield pistols will work to dual wield hand crossbows.
I guess you could have a heavy wrist launcher and a hand crossbow on the same arm, but you wont benefit from crossbow specific stuff of the bolt ace.
The easiest thing is to be a tiefling and get the tail so you can pass off one hand crossbow while you reload the other and then switch them around again. Lots of free action use, but technically legal. Until you GM uses the FAQ about limiting free actions to stop it when it becomes a problem.
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I think you'll have more problem in that a wrist launcher is a full round action to reload.
But no, having used that hand to fire a weapon does not preclude you from using it reload another weapon.
There is the issue that a regular wrist launcher isn't a crossbow though, so it wont work with bolt ace abilities.
Shoot! You're right. You'd only have proficiency, but nothing affecting crossbows would affect them. Would have made a sweet backup weapon for Bolt Aces.
It requires hand crossbow proficiency so I'm seeing it as a crossbow and can benefit from Crossbow Mastery feat to reload as a free action. Until it gets officialized in PFS it could be argued as a No for there, but homegames I don't really see how it'll be an issue as tube arrow shooter is practically mechanically identical and classified as a crossbow. And if that's still an issue, TWF tube shooters is still an option I guess.
It requires hand crossbow proficiency so I'm seeing it as a crossbow and can benefit from Crossbow Mastery feat to reload as a free action. Until it gets officialized in PFS it could be argued as a No for there, but homegames I don't really see how it'll be an issue as tube arrow shooter is practically mechanically identical and classified as a crossbow. And if that's still an issue, TWF tube shooters is still an option I guess.
The heavy wrist launcher works off of hand crossbow proficiency, but not the regular wrist launcher.
There is nothing to my knowledge that stats it benefits from crossbow mastery or other crossbow specific abilities or to treat it as a crossbow except for proficiency. Now, I'm not saying it wouldn't make sense to treat heavy wrist launchers as crossbows, but without some clarification stating such I wouldn't operate under the assumption that it works that way.
As for the tube arrow shooter, could you point to where its classified as a crossbow? Because I've haven't seen it. Unless your talking about for Fighter Weapon Training groups, which doesn't make the tube arrow a crossbow. It just means the crossbow weapon training group includes the tube arrow shooter.
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It requires hand crossbow proficiency so I'm seeing it as a crossbow and can benefit from Crossbow Mastery feat to reload as a free action. Until it gets officialized in PFS it could be argued as a No for there, but homegames I don't really see how it'll be an issue as tube arrow shooter is practically mechanically identical and classified as a crossbow. And if that's still an issue, TWF tube shooters is still an option I guess.The heavy wrist launcher works off of hand crossbow proficiency, but not the regular wrist launcher.
There is nothing to my knowledge that stats it benefits from crossbow mastery or other crossbow specific abilities or to treat it as a crossbow except for proficiency. Now, I'm not saying it wouldn't make sense to treat heavy wrist launchers as crossbows, but without some clarification stating such I wouldn't operate under the assumption that it works that way.
As for the tube arrow shooter, could you point to where its classified as a crossbow? Because I've haven't seen it. Unless your talking about for Fighter Weapon Training groups, which doesn't make the tube arrow a crossbow. It just means the crossbow weapon training group includes the tube arrow shooter.
Both wrist launcher versions work with hand crossbow proficiency. Heavy wrist launcher just uses similar stats to hand crossbow for damage, threat, and range but not necessarily identical/equivalent if one gets better with only one of them.
The fighter weapon training group system is pretty much all I'd need to classify something as that type. Nowhere is it listed that a Nodachi is a polearm weapon or even a mechanical definition of what counts as "polearm weapon" anywhere except fighter weapon training group, but folks are still using it for Shield Brace feat.
What was that character from Vampire Hunter D: Bloodlust that almost blotted out the sky with his Wrist Launcher? might have to make a version of that guy now...
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It requires hand crossbow proficiency so I'm seeing it as a crossbow and can benefit from Crossbow Mastery feat to reload as a free action. Until it gets officialized in PFS it could be argued as a No for there, but homegames I don't really see how it'll be an issue as tube arrow shooter is practically mechanically identical and classified as a crossbow. And if that's still an issue, TWF tube shooters is still an option I guess.The heavy wrist launcher works off of hand crossbow proficiency, but not the regular wrist launcher.
There is nothing to my knowledge that stats it benefits from crossbow mastery or other crossbow specific abilities or to treat it as a crossbow except for proficiency. Now, I'm not saying it wouldn't make sense to treat heavy wrist launchers as crossbows, but without some clarification stating such I wouldn't operate under the assumption that it works that way.
As for the tube arrow shooter, could you point to where its classified as a crossbow? Because I've haven't seen it. Unless your talking about for Fighter Weapon Training groups, which doesn't make the tube arrow a crossbow. It just means the crossbow weapon training group includes the tube arrow shooter.
Both wrist launcher versions work with hand crossbow proficiency. Heavy wrist launcher just uses similar stats to hand crossbow for damage, threat, and range but not necessarily identical/equivalent if one gets better with only one of them.
The fighter weapon training group system is pretty much all I'd need to classify something as that type. Nowhere is it listed that a Nodachi is a polearm weapon or even a mechanical definition of what counts as "polearm weapon" anywhere except fighter weapon training group, but folks are still using it for Shield Brace feat.
So nothing official then?