Weapons being used as light maces in weapon styles

[Davic The Grey]

Ok, hopefully my question is clear. Asked several friends and it got all muddled. Spear Dancing Style and Empty Quiver Style both allow you to use a weapon as a light mace when in that style for different benefits. In Spear Dancer it becomes a double weapon so you don't keep the enhancement bonuses, if I'm reading that right. Do you keep stuff like weapon focus and training? Is it a spear still for feats and is just using the base stats of a mace or does it become a mace in all mechanical ways? Same question for Empty Quiver. Empty Quiver Flexibility doesn't enter into this as far as I can see, that's used more to benefit from deadly aim and rapid shot while pistolwhipping someone.

This isn't for PFS, just trying to make sense of it since I both play and GM.

[Owen K. C. Stephens]

I'd expect it to be treated as mace in all mechanical regards.

[Davic The Grey]

Owen K. C. Stephens wrote:

I'd expect it to be treated as mace in all mechanical regards.

That's more official of an answer than I had hoped for. Thank you for such a quick response.

[Backlash3906]

Would Weapon training bonuses for spears/firearms/crossbows/etc still carry over once you have flexibility?

[Chess Pwn]

So you have a focus in spears and then it's lost for going spear style? seems a little odd.

[Imbicatus]

Well, it becomes a double weapon, so any feats in spears would still apply to both ends.

[Davic The Grey]

So then what happens to weapon training? It seems crazy to lose it by striking with the haft, but then again it's not meant for that purpose and that's not how you'd naturally be trained. I see it both ways. OKCS chimed in, though, so that's as clear a ruling from staff as we'll get since there is no official faq or errata incoming.

Shame, it makes the styles much less appealing.

[Kalindlara]

Well, it's finally a reason to have a second weapon training group.

It's just a little unfortunate that it comes in the same book that gave us a great replacement for those.

[Imbicatus]

Weapon training would still apply. The off-hand is treated like a light mace, but weapon training, feats, and all other abilities tied to "spear" would still work with it because it is a double weapon.

A gnome hooked hammer applies all feats to both ends, even though it's a warhammer and a heavy pick.

[Chess Pwn]

Imbicatus wrote:

Weapon training would still apply. The off-hand is treated like a light mace, but weapon training, feats, and all other abilities tied to "spear" would still work with it because it is a double weapon.

A gnome hooked hammer applies all feats to both ends, even though it's a warhammer and a heavy pick.

That's not what a Developer thinks. That makes it iffy.