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{ If anyone has noticed, yes I am making a bunch of new PFS characters. Some friends are going to try PFS and asked me to help with first PC's for them. }
In home game sundreres are only NPC's cause everyone gets mad if you break all the loot. However, going all metagamey, that doesn't apply in PFS. Since everything ends up on the chronicle sheet anyway and you just buy off that, it doesn't matter too much. I suppose you do lose the use of it during the scenario, but that doesn't seem too huge of a loss. So this guy wants to try a build that sunders weapons and/or armor, wands, staves, foci, spell pouch, etc... before pounding opponents into oblivion.
Ok, I've never built one of these before and haven't run a barbarian since 3.x, but some of it seems obvious.
High strength, 2-hand weapon, power attack, improved sunder, and greater sunder.
It also seems made for the breaker barbarian archtype.
Possible powers: powerful blow, ground breaker, smasher, spell sunder, sunder enchanment, and strength surge.
Is the breaker archtype any good?
Are those good powers for the build what order should they go in?
I will throw up a build just for someplace to start.
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Half-Orc (to me this type of a build just screams 1/2-O)
Alternate race trait, gatecrasher (+2 to sunder)
Faction: don't know yet, maybe Sczarni
Str: 20 (18+2), Dex: 12, Con: 14, Int: 8, Wis: 10, Cha: 8
Traits:
Bad Reputation, Sczarni (+2 intimidate)
History of Heresy (+1 save vs divine spells)
Breaker barbarian archtype
1 feat: power attack
2 rage power: powerful blow
3 feat: improved sunder
4 rage power: ground breaker
5 feat: improved bull rush
6 rage power: smasher
7 feat: weapon focus: earthbreaker
8 rage power: sunder enchantment
9 feat: greater sunder
10 rage power: spell sunder
11 feat: greater bull rush
I expect this one will need lots of tearing apart. So have at it.
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We've got a pair of them going around together in my local PFS group. They both have a bit of monk. One of them has some fighter, the other has some barbar. I don't know the exact builds. They mix it up with sundering and disarming.
They slow down combat a lot (more due to the fighter's snake stance than the actual sundering), but they do a good job of getting rid of people's weapons.
There's plenty of fights against unarmed monsters though, so be prepared to deal with them too (That earthbreaker is a good start).
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PFs is made for low power level characters. you can play a crb character with no crazy broken combos or archetypes and be perfectly fine.
with that being said i think the best barbarian you can play in PFS is a supersitious barbarian (rage power tree), with power attack, step up chain, improved sunder and disruptive rage power chain.
with the invulnerable rager archetype.
you are basically a wreckin ball for any target that has spells/SLA/SU abilities. and since VERY few npc's that are deadly in PFS are pure mundane, you would do very well playing that character.
now im not trying to tell you not to play a sunder build, they are fun to play. you may just notice that you could have just hit the target and done more good then a sundering would accomplish.
sory i dont have time to post the full build, but you should be able to finda barbarian using the superstitious rage power tree.
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Ok, it's been suggested that I don't concentrate too much on the sunder aspect except for taking the sunder feats. So how sould I do the rest of the build for a guy that hasn't much time into PF so far. I dont want to make it too complicated so that he has to learn the corner conditions of some dozen obscure rule combinations in umpteen books.
Human (I really prefer Half-Orc for this concept but I also really like having both feats at first level)
Alternat race traits: ?Any good ones for this nebulous build?
Faction: don't know yet, maybe Sczarni
Str: 20 (18+2), Dex: 12, Con: 14, Int: 8, Wis: 10, Cha: 8
Traits:
Bad Reputation, Sczarni (+2 intimidate)
History of Heresy (+1 save vs divine spells)
Barbarian, archtype ?!? or none
1 feats: power attack & improved sunder
2 rage power: ?
3 feat: improved bull rush
4 rage power: ?
5 feat: weapon focus: earthbreaker
6 rage power: ?
7 feat: greater sunder
8 rage power: ?
9 feat: greater bull rush
10 rage power: ?
11 feat: ?
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... i think the best barbarian you can play in PFS is a supersitious barbarian (rage power tree), with power attack, step up chain, improved sunder and disruptive rage power chain.
with the invulnerable rager archetype.
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sory i dont have time to post the full build, but you should be able to finda barbarian using the superstitious rage power tree.
Ok, thanks. I will do a search when I get home tonight. (There is a limit to what I have access to and can look up on the sly at work.)
... now im not trying to tell you not to play a sunder build, they are fun to play. you may just notice that you could have just hit the target and done more good then a sundering would accomplish...
Yeah, we talked about that. He just thinks it would be fun.
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Human
Fighter (Weapon Master Scimitar)
-Stats-
STR 14 (+4 Leveling)(+6 Magic item)
DEX 17 (+2 Racial)(+1 Leveling)
CON 11
INT 14
WIS 10
CHA 07
-Feats-
01 Two-Weapon Fighting, Improved Shield Bash, Weapon Focus Scimitar
02 Combat Expertise
03 Power Attack
04 Weapon Specialization Scimitar
05 Improved Sunder
06 Greater Sunder
07 Improved Two-Weapon Fighting
08 Improved Critical
09 Critical Focus
10 Shield Slam
11 Shield Master
12 Bashing Finish
13 Greater Two-Weapon Fighting
14 Sundering Strike
15 Tiring Critical
16 Exhausting Critical
17 Sickening Critical
18 Critical Mastery
19 Greater Weapon Focus Scimitar
20 Greater Weapon Specialization Scimitar
-Method-
Use a Heavy Spiked Shield enchanted with +4 for defense and enchanted with Bashing, Holy, and Speed for offense so when u are shield bashing ur shield counts as a +5 holy weapon that does 1d10+str that also does not take the two-weapon fighting penalty and keeping shield bonus to AC. When ever u score a crit with ur Scimitar, on a 15-20 dice roll, u get a free shield bash and sunder while also giving the target the Exhausted and Sickened condition. Scimitar should also be enchanted with Speed to give u 5 attempts to get a free shield bash on those crits. If ur lucky u can get 14 attacks in a single round.
Also other builds ive made can be found in the following link it may help.
paizo.com/threads/rzs2phof?Builds-for-high-levels
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Uhmm... Please remember, PFS only goes to level 11.
I will check out the link tonight, but a build that only gets good in the high levels not going to help much.
We need builds that are at least decently effective right at level 01 up through level 11.
The character is very effective from levels 1-11 as a sword and board, 2 weapon fighter that sunders. Also there are APs for players that go beyond level 11. The thing is most DMs dont do them since the game changes quite a bit at that level and dont have the experience or skill to cope with the changes. Believe it or not but mid level play and high level play are very different from each other and even more so in comparison to low level play.
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Yes there are AP's that go higher. We use them in our home Pathfinder games.
But this is for Pathfinder Society, PFS gaming. It basically retires when you advance to level 12. There are occasional special events for characters at level 12+. But they don't happen often. I don't think ever at our local. You have to wait for a convention and hope you get in.
And yes I know Low, Mid, and High level play is different. That is why I am very leery whenever I see a level 20 build. Usually when I see a level 20 build and what it can do at level 20, I find that it doesn't work until it gets to high level. But not always, that's why I also said I'd check it out.