You can run for a number of rounds equal to your Constitution score, but after that you must make a DC 10 Constitution check to continue running.
Can constructs and undead take the run action at all? Or can they run indefinitely? I ask because they don't have a Constitution score.
For constructs:
No Constitution score. Any DCs or other Statistics that rely on a Constitution score treat a construct as having a score of 10 (no bonus or penalty). Page 307 of Beastiary 1.
As for undead:
No Constitution score. Undead use their Charisma score in place of their Constitution score when calculating hit points, Fortitude saves, and any special ability that relies on Constitution(such as when calculating a breath weapon’s DC). Page 310 of Beastiary 1.
So a construct could run, but I don't know about undead.
Ha! Great question! Let's see what happens with an undead creature...
Run
You can run as a full-round action.
So far, so good... unless you're a zombie and limited on actions because you're always staggered.
You can run for a number of rounds equal to your Constitution score,
An undead creature can can run for 0 rounds...
but after that you must make a DC 10 Consitutiton check to continue running.
An undead creature must immediately make a DC 10 Con check to run more than 0 rounds... so it makes a check when it says, I would like to run. Roll!
Note: An undead creature's Con modifier is +0 for any Constitution-based checks.
You must check again each round in which you continue to run, and the DC of this check increases by 1 for each check you have made. When you fail this check, you must stop running.
Succeed on your check, you can run.
Fail any time, you can't run.
A character who has run to his limit must rest for 1 minute (10 rounds) before running again. During a rest period, a character can move no faster than a normal move action.
An undead who has run their limit must rest for a minute before attempting to run again.
OR....
Having no Constitution score doesn't equal 0 Constitution. It just simply isn't there. So...
You can run for a number of rounds equal to your Constitution score,
An undead creature has no Constitution score, so an undead creature can run for an infinite number of rounds.
OR....
Having no Constitution score doesn't equal 0 Constitution. It just simply isn't there. So...
You can run for a number of rounds equal to your Constitution score,
An undead creature has no Constitution score, so an undead creature can run for an infinite number of rounds.
On that same note, having no Constitution score doesn't equal infinity either.
Personally, I would use it's Charisma score, as that's an Undead's "lifeforce".
On that same note, having no Constitution score doesn't equal infinity either.
I'm not saying no Constitution equals infinity.
I'm saying that the rules for running puts a limit on how long you can run based on your Constitution score. An undead creature says, that limit doesn't apply to me then since I have no Constitution score. (If you're for the argument that an undead creature can run forever).
"Undead use their Charisma score in place of their Constitution score when calculating hit points, Fortitude saves, and any special ability that relies on Constitution(such as when calculating a breath weapon’s DC)."
I wouldn't use Charisma, since the 3 conditions they list does not apply to running. (Running has nothing to do with hit points, there is no Fortitude save, and it's not a special ability.)
On that same note, having no Constitution score doesn't equal infinity either.I'm not saying no Constitution equals infinity.
I'm saying that the rules for running puts a limit on how long you can run based on your Constitution score. An undead creature says, that limit doesn't apply to me then since I have no Constitution score. (If you're for the argument that an undead creature can run forever).
"Undead use their Charisma score in place of their Constitution score when calculating hit points, Fortitude saves, and any special ability that relies on Constitution(such as when calculating a breath weapon’s DC)."
I wouldn't use Charisma, since the 3 conditions they list does not apply to running. (Running has nothing to do with hit points, there is no Fortitude save, and it's not a special ability.)
Sorry, it kind of sounded, to me, that you were trying to say it was.
I don't know, it just seems weird that an undead could run forever that way because it never reaches the no constitution score. Although you could say it reaches it automatically(if I have to count to something I do not have, I reach it as soon as I start).
It makes sense to me that constructs and undead, creatures with no biology, do not suffer from the fatigue of running. The rules are fuzzy on it though. Paizo staff have, in the past, stated that the rules are written from the perspective of PCs and the farther you get from normal PCs the more you run into odd rules issues.
- Gauss
It makes sense to me that constructs and undead, creatures with no biology, do not suffer from the fatigue of running. The rules are fuzzy on it though.
- Gauss
A construct can only run for 10 rounds before it has to make the Con check to continue running(unless I'm totally wrong on that one and run rounds isn't a statistic), but an undead can go on forever because No Score doesn't equal 0. It just seems like they think of that when they were writing up the construct and undead types.
CrystalSpellblade: I do not think that run rounds is a statistic. Probably a grey area. Also, constructs are not subject to fatigue or exhaustion and it is my impression that run duration is a factor of fatigue. It may not be clearly RAW but it feels right at least.
- Gauss
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The ability to run is not based on Con.
The limitation on how long you can run for is tied to Con, so creatures without Con cannot interact with that mechanic, meaning there is no limit to how long they can run for.
Conceptually, if something uses energy, then when the energy runs out it cant't continue. Creatures expend stored energy, and that energy was originally gained from eating/drinking. Creatures without Con have no metabolism and do not require food to function, so food is not their energy source. There are some Con-less creatures, such as vampires, that need to consume something or suffer, but this is not a physical metabolism.
Machines have fuel, if they run out they stop. Magic is the source of power for undead and many constructs. If magic ever runs out, we'll all have problems. Unless a Con-less creature's description includes ways it runs out of power (like clockwork golems) then they don't run out of power.
Living creatures also have to contend with the build-up of fatigue poisons in their muscles, a biological process absent in creatures without a biology.
Well, I would much rather be wrong on this one. The idea that something like a construct or an undead couldn't run kind of felt weird. The idea of an undead critter running around the world to trying to murder you forever makes me a happy camper. =D
