Does it seem fair that Aasimars get to choose their Variant heritages for free while the Tiefling is forced to use up his first level feat (Fiendish heritage) in order to get almost the exact same benefit?
That was only in Bastards of Erebus; the new tiefling player's companion doesn't have the feat. Also, don't forget that the feat also allows access to the most preferable ability chosen from three d100 rolls. The feat has its perks.
Necromancer is correct.
I'm confused.
From my reading, the variant heritages are just replacement for racial bonuses, and both get them for free (but you replace the regular bonuses)
so ur saying that the Tiefling can get his variant heritage without taking a feat for it?
if we are talking about the +2 stat, +2 stat, -2 stat, different skill bonuses, and different spell-like ability: Yes, you get it for free, it just replaces normal bonuses.
Think of it as a racial replacement ability.
EDIT: May be up for question. Ask someone about the Advance Races Guide since that will be more up to date. I don't think you need to take the feat as per new Tiefling rules.
so ur saying that the Tiefling can get his variant heritage without taking a feat for it?
Yeah, the feat was only written as part of the Bastards of Erebus Adenture Path installment thanks to the large number of tieflings in Westcrown. However, keep in mind that the variant ability table is prefaced with the "Players with a particular character concept
in mind may consult their GM if they want to select aspecific variant ability."
None of that means the GM has to allow tiefling characters and many are known to turn their players down in this regard. What it does mean is that the feat isn't--shouldn't be--required. Just clear the character concept with your GM and you should be good.
Not to sound like a total dunce, but I'm looking thru the Advanced Race Guide and I can't find these variants for Aasimars or Tieflings anywhere. Are they sourced in another book?
They are in the Blood of... books. And no feat is needed for either Aasimar or Tieflings. The alternates are PFS legal also.
They are under the Aasimar and Tiefling sections IIRC. Or maybe the Blood Of... books.
Edit: Ninja'd
Not to sound like a total dunce, but I'm looking thru the Advanced Race Guide and I can't find these variants for Aasimars or Tieflings anywhere. Are they sourced in another book?
Unfortunately, the charts did not make the ARG; each chart can be found in Blood of Angels and Blood of Fiends.
Fortunately, both charts are also on the SRD: Tiefling charts & Aasimar charts
actually they could have fit them in as an appendix pretty easily.
Seriously. Two pages would've covered it...
One-page for the Tables. One column in each races section for the Alternate Heritages.
The main thing I guess is they need to give people a reason to but the Blood of... books.
Also, Tieflings and Aasamir can be small or large sized without feats.
You do not alter stats, just add size penalties/bonuses.It's in the beginning of each "Blood of" book.
I'm really going to have to read those again... ain't I?
Also, Tieflings and Aasamir can be small or large sized without feats.
You do not alter stats, just add size penalties/bonuses.It's in the beginning of each "Blood of" book.
Only Small-sized is mentioned, if you refer to the "Non-Human Aasimars" section. It does say "half-orc aasimars are slightly larger", but that doesn't mean their size is Large.
Hmm. The "Non-Human Tieflings" section actually does say what you're suggesting. That's the first time I've ever seen anything allowing you to be any size (as long as there exists a humanoid of that size) from level 1 without penalty.
Since giants are humanoids, that's technically saying you can be Huge at level 1, at no penalty (beyond size penalties)..
That sidebar will come down to GM fiat, I'd say. I would have guessed the intent was to allow aasimar/tiefling variants of the core races, not of any race, except the tiefling section specifically mentions Ogre.
I would let my players be large. And then I would laugh at them when they have to deal with a multitude of tight movement spaces such as the 15 foot rooms and 20 foot rooms.
Well, it does not say they have reach either.
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Well, it does not say they have reach either.
I thought Large humanoid had reach by default?
Well, it does not say they have reach either.I thought Large humanoid had reach by default?
ARG changed that for Races.
I've looked over both the Advanced Player's Guide, Blood of Fiends, and Blood of Angles, and the "Fiendish Heritage" feat no longer exists as a requirement for picking any variant Tiefling racial traits or bloodlines.
The Blood of Fiends and Blood of Angels books put Aasmiar and Tieflings on par with each other in terms of power and versatility. No one side is inherently better than the other.
Aasamir and Tieflings are each a bit better at some things than the other.
This is true for all races.