Hello Pathfinders,
I am putting together a Witchwar Legacy game and I will be taking four people.
Level: 17
Average HP per level
Stats: 20 Point buy
Gold: 410,000
Restrictions: Everything from Paizo is open, even the new ARG. No 3PP
Alignment: Any
The choice will be made on optimization, not on backstory. You may include your characters behaviour and attitude, but the main focus is on optimization, both for classes and for the party. That includes equipment.
Recruitment will close Friday, June 22nd
How is character gen handled.
20 point buy
Here is Ryarg, currently up for consideration for another Witchwar game. The creation rules are very similar, and I think the other game is closing soon, so of I don't get in there, I can quickly change things to fit this one.
He's a meat shield heavy hitting Druid, making heavy use of summoning and wild shaping, favoring advanced dire bears and earth elementals for both.
How much RP does the story involve. I guess I am asking should anyone avoid playing bards as an example. They are well rounded, and make everyone better, but the class itself is not known as a powerful class.
There will still be interactions between players and there can always be dialogue with NPC's that will listen. But the overall theme is a crawl adventure, traps and combat.
Bards can be powerful if played right
This is my guy. He is not done yet but the bare bones are there so to speak. ;)
I am going to post a Paladin I think. Still working on the build.
Hey :) I might be interested in a beefcake fighter if you up for that ;) Never made a character at level 17 from the beginning I will see what I can set up tomorrow then submit :D
Greetings new players, do I know you? I have this unusual feeling.... ha!
Posted in the other Witchwar recruiting thread, but I'll post this here, too. If we can play any race, I'll switch the race and be able to optimize it more.
If I end up playing in one game, I'll drop out of the other, so other people can have a chance to play.
Travel sized to fit in dungeons. I need to finish his cohort, who is a Synthasist summoner with a level of bard. Think of this. Flying mount with a speed of 50, who casts Moment of Greatness, Paladin casts saddle surge. Mount casts haste. 80 ft spirited charge with lance. Full attack at end. Option to make it a radiant charge and at 16d6.
Good apps so far
@Ryarg - Druids are scary at later levels
@Sinuo - Lich's are cool, always wanted to play one.
@Lefty - haven't seen an arcane trickster since my 3.5 days, nice
@Bungo - Awesome concept, halfling paladin!
Keep em coming
Didn't even realise there was another witchwar legacy pbp campaign, oops
Might do up a Rogue or Ninja, but I'd want to wait to till ARG comes out.
Geez I knew crafters that make their own stuff can be abusive but I did not think I would find myself with so much left over gold. >;)
I think I am starting to scare myself.
I put my cohort under profile. He is Synthasist Summoner 14/Sorcerer 1. Sorcerer got me more uses per day of Moment of greatness. My cohort will just about always be in mount form. He currently had an 80ft. fly speed
I'll be recycling this Alias into an evildoer with the same basis. Since you're allowing a lich I'm assuming a vampire is fine, but let me know if not. I've got most of the character finished, but items take a while and he'll probably have leadership to really get optimized- I'll finish by tomorrow evening. The build is a Vampire Antipaladin 2 / Arcane Duelist 15. With Charisma dictating HP *and* saves, the antagonize feat, and fast healing 5, not to mention the AD/Vampire bonus feats, he's a crazy tank/battlefield controller who buffs himself and allies. If Drow Nobles are allowed I'd use on of those, but barring that human as the base race.
Vampire? So we can use monsters or templates? If so I am going back to the drawing board.
Edit:I see a lich so I guess that means yes.
Edit2: What can I add to the character and still be considered to be level 17? Any one template, any 2, a race up to ____ HD?
Yeah, I also have that question. What's in parameters? Can one have a Vampiric Drow Noble with the half-dragon template? If there isn't some sort of cap on this I feel it will be very silly very quickly.
A single template is fine. Anything more then that is going overboard.
Vampire is fine
I hate to throw a wrench into the gears but be aware of your guys weaknesses, the setting too. I picked lich for a reason. Vampires have the whole sun problem which is a major concern. If your going undead, may want to checkout grave knight for those melee types sense they are kinda the fighters version of a lich. ;)
P.S. My lich will be passing for a living elf via restore corpse and a contstent gentle repose effect.
I was assuming that with 400k at my disposal I could get around the sunlight issue (permanent Protective Penumbra, a big floppy hat in case of dispelling, cloaks and such). I think we should rule Drow Nobles to count as a template, also. They're already very powerful (11+hd SR) and combined with a template would be silly.
EDIT: I also don't know overmuch about the setting. Is there anything we really should know ahead of time about it for optimization purposes?
Dress warmly and be very prepared. The module has some big nasties and a lot of spell casting enemies.
The setting is pretty much a frozen wasteland. Which means during the day the sunlight will bounce off snow and ice. So yeah vampire hell comes to mind. xP
As for a way around it, thats the DMs call. Personally I see to many easy ways to kill a vamp in that setting. At least invest in a magical shrinking coffin, in case you hit 0 hp at any point.
I that case, I think I am going to throw a templet on.
Oh, so tempting to add a werebear template on, but I think a lot of the benefits would be negated by wild shape.
Of course, the 3 Charisma would be interesting.
3 charisma? thats enough to grunt and spit on people for communication
Added Half Dragon for me, Half Celestial for my mount.
Can we add stuff to our cohorts/minions?
Cause I got a nasty I would love to make more so. ;)
But the Wisdom boost would be nice. With the 26 Wisdom he'd get (forgot to add in every fourth level increase stat bonuses), that's a bonus level 8 spell, and the damage reduction would be nice against critters for such a non-meaty meat shield.
I'd just need a run down on which changes from the template would stack with wild shape. I'm assuming everybody's adding these templates without losing any class levels to compensate?
AC: In hybrid or animal form the lycanthrope has the natural armor bonus of the base animal increased by +2. I'm guessing this wouldn't stack with wildshape.
Defensive Abilities: A natural lycanthrope gains DR 10/silver in animal or hybrid form. An afflicted lycanthrope gains DR 5/silver in animal or hybrid form.Not sure about this one.
Speed: Same as the base creature or base animal, depending on which form the lycanthrope is using. Hybrids use the base creature's speed.
Melee: A lycanthrope gains natural attacks in animal and hybrid forms according to the base animal.
Special Attacks: A lycanthrope retains all the special attacks, qualities, and abilities of the base creature. In hybrid or animal form it gains the special attacks, qualities, and abilities of the base animal. A lycanthrope also gains low-light vision, scent, and the following: Presumably not this in wild shape, though bear shape already gives these to him.
Change Shape (Su) All lycanthropes have three forms—a humanoid form, an animal form, and a hybrid form. Equipment does not meld with the new form between humanoid and hybrid form, but does between those forms and animal form. A natural lycanthrope can shift to any of its three alternate forms as a move-equivalent action. A slain lycanthrope reverts to its humanoid form, although it remains dead.
Curse of Lycanthropy (Su) A natural lycanthrope's bite attack in animal or hybrid form infects a humanoid target with lycanthropy (Fortitude DC 15 negates). If the victim's size is not within one size category of the lycanthrope, this ability has no effect. This is probably okay.
Lycanthropic Empathy (Ex) In any form, natural lycanthropes can communicate and empathize with animals related to their animal form. They can use Diplomacy to alter such an animal's attitude, and when so doing gain a +4 racial bonus on the check. Afflicted lycanthropes only gain this ability in animal or hybrid form. This is probably okay too.
Ability Scores: +2 Wis, –2 Cha in all forms; +2 Str, +2 Con in hybrid and animal forms. Lycanthropes have enhanced senses but are not fully in control of their emotions and animalistic urges. In addition to these adjustments to the base creature's stats, a lycanthrope's ability scores change when he assumes hybrid or animal form. In human form, the lycanthrope's ability scores are unchanged from the base creature's form. In animal and hybrid form, the lycanthrope's ability scores are the same as the base creature's or the base animal's, whichever ability score is higher. [b]Presumably the mental adjustments are okay. The physical ones wouldn't apply when in wild shape (shifts to hybrid form first, then wild shapes for extra strength? Kind of cheesy. If I went this, he'd spend almost all his time in hybrid form, and hardly ever in natural form. I'm not sure if his bear form from lycanthropy would be better or worse than that granted by a 17th level wild shaper.
I'm dropping out. Got picked for the other game. Good luck here, guys, and be as wacky as you wanna be!
I would hope that people are balancing the CR's from the templates with their levels to make sure the output is still level 17, which for a PC is CR 16 I believe
Same as Lefty. Thanks for the consideration, Tierce. Good luck all.
Ryarg your going to end up with three characters in one. Depending on your form things change and it effects everything else as a result. I do not envy you. x(
Have you considered Animal Lord or Fey Creature. Those could go well with druid I think.
Edit-Nevermind and good luck.
doesn't matter, he's gone
So far we have
Sinuo Tlunar
Bungo Brockhouse
And Vincent converting up his character.
Hope we see some more apps
Dotting for interest, though I'll be interested to see from the ARG. Any thoughts on any particular bases that a lich evoker and high level summoner don't cover? I'm considering playing a ZAM with a decent template of some sort. I'm open to suggestions.
Skill/Trap monkey is going to be a requirement for this campaign, as well as a decent DPS that can off heal, or someone with UMD that can use wands. A full healer isn't needed so much
I need to adjust levels to compensate for CR increase. If I change to Anti paladin, can I still use the Saddle Surge spell. It is only listed as paladin.
If I played a Quingong ZAM(Zen archer monk) Drow Noble Half-fiend (as spell resistance twice doesn't give me that much of an advantage, though still subject to your approval) I could be a very effective trap finder with a really impressive perception and disable device check (from wisdom of the flesh.) Skills would also be available in plenty. The most time consuming part about putting together the character would be spending such a huge amount of gold. (again, suggestions would be welcome!) Thoughts?
I got knowledge covered (+34) except for dungeoneering, engineering, and noblility (+14). My UMD is +33 so I can use just about anything. Also no need to worry about negitive energy healing sense a lich's touch uses negitive energy. ;)
@Bungo - take the spell, no worries about it
@Dragonserpent - stick to either drow noble or half fiend, not both
Still playing with builds
I am still in. I just can't decide what to play.
How about a martial ranged character, like an alchemist, ranger or gunslinger?
Do we have any front liners?
Bungo, he's a pally/anti-pally
Sinuo is level 17 with lich template. I want to verify that with level and template we need to be at CR 16
Indeed you do, so Sinuo will need to decrease his level to equal cr 16
As level 17 PC's we are CR 17
CR=PC class level-1
17=17-1
However: In the Paizo AP whenever a villian has PC level wealth they add one CR<--Not an official rule, but a decent guideline.
CR= PC class level with PC wealth
A template with a CR of +2 should then drop the class levels down to 15 in this case assuming the GM is following the unofficial PC wealth guideline.
Cancelling recruitment, thanks for the great apps, and sorry for the inconvenience