| Potest_Nucis |
Before the recent errata to resistance mechanics the question wasn’t relevant. But since each resistance is only applicable once, can you have multiple sources of, say, resistance to all damage, to protect yourself against multiple sources of damage? For example, can two champions use their reactions to protect party member from a flaming sword strike, where both champions give the same amount of resistance to all damage, but one is used against slashing damage and another against fire damage?
Another question is about the rule of “if several resistances are applicable to a single type of damage, apply the highest one”. If I have two resistances applicable to one of the types of damage but the higher of the two has already been used up for different damage type, can I even use smaller one?
| Easl |
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I would rule the subject/victim PC gets to choose how to apply the two champion effects, so both could be used as long as they are used on different damage types.
Why rule that way? Well I think it's the most reasonably consistent way to apply the first and last bits of this part:
A single effect can activate more than one resistance at a time, but subtracts each of the subject’s resistances only once. If the subject has more than one resistance to the same damage type, they apply only one, usually the highest. For a resistance to a category including multiple damage types, like resistance to physical damage, to spells, or to all damage, if the subject is taking damage of multiple types included in the category, the subject can choose which damage type to use the resistance against.
| Claxon |
I don't know that the errata on how resistance/weakness works is settled yet.
As I understand the situation, Paizo released a statement that would errata the function, but there was a lot of blowback and players being disappointed and providing examples where the ruling really broke down and didn't make sense.
I say all that to say, I don't think there's been anything else official since that. With Paizo likely still reviewing how to handle it.
However, I might have missed an additional official release of errata. Hopefully someone else better attuned to this topic can chime in.
| NorrKnekten |
I would assume that this falls under Duplicate effects and thus don't stack, Even if it would've been two different effects say a spell and a champion reaction traditionally you have only ever applied the highest resistance.
Its a rather well documented intention behind the game to the point that some ancestry feats providing similar benefit doesn't even stack.
Another question is about the rule of “if several resistances are applicable to a single type of damage, apply the highest one”. If I have two resistances applicable to one of the types of damage but the higher of the two has already been used up for different damage type, can I even use smaller one?
the new text is
If the subject has more than one resistance to the same damage type, they apply only one, usually the highest. For a resistance to a category including multiple damage types, like resistance to physical damage, to spells, or to all damage, if the subject is taking damage of multiple types included in the category, the subject can choose which damage type to use the resistance against.
So I would assume this is a no, Especially with how they explained that weaknesses can only ever activate once per effect and thus resistance would probably work the same, but its absolutely a grey area that others can rule differently. I have a vague memory of a rule or explanation stating that resistances and weaknesses arent cumulative and that you only ever have the highest of any type of resistance.
| Easl |
Norr, there's also this part of the errata: "a multi-type resistance can be applied to the most beneficial damage type if it could apply more than one."
It really sounds like if you've got multiple different types/traits, and multiple different ways to apply resistances/immunities to them, then the new general rule is "victim picks".
So you've got types 1, 2, 3 and multi-resistances A, B, C, you can match up A to 1, B to 2 etc. any way you want. Though you still can't break the rule you're citing, i.e. you can't apply both A and B to 1.
| NorrKnekten |
If you have resistances for multiple different categories or traits yes, But this is specifically haing two sources of the same resist, Like two or three resist all.
Can you even have two different resist all, or does only the highest value of resist all apply? It's not explained and did not need explaining before this.
Ofcourse resistance to all, holy and water all applies to a theoretical holy water effect that deals three different damage types just as you say, but can you even have multiple resist all's?
Traditionally no with the rule having been removed because you could still only ever apply one either way. There used to be a rule about weaknesses and resistances canceling out which explicitly told you that these aren't cumulative and you only ever use the highest value.
But nothing like that currently remains from what i've seen.
| Finoan |
Norr, there's also this part of the errata: "a multi-type resistance can be applied to the most beneficial damage type if it could apply more than one."
It really sounds like if you've got multiple different types/traits, and multiple different ways to apply resistances/immunities to them, then the new general rule is "victim picks".
Yeah, that is how I am reading that too.
Basically the player of the character that has multiple instances of Resist All gets to choose a different type of specific Resistance for each instance.
So Resist All 5 and Resist All 7 could be applied to a Flaming Longsword attack as Resist Fire 5 and Resist Slashing 7.
The Resist All 5 turned into Resist Fire 5 still wouldn't stack with a Resist Fire 3 that they got from (for example) an Ancestry ability.
| Tridus |
Easl wrote:Norr, there's also this part of the errata: "a multi-type resistance can be applied to the most beneficial damage type if it could apply more than one."
It really sounds like if you've got multiple different types/traits, and multiple different ways to apply resistances/immunities to them, then the new general rule is "victim picks".
Yeah, that is how I am reading that too.
Basically the player of the character that has multiple instances of Resist All gets to choose a different type of specific Resistance for each instance.
So Resist All 5 and Resist All 7 could be applied to a Flaming Longsword attack as Resist Fire 5 and Resist Slashing 7.
The Resist All 5 turned into Resist Fire 5 still wouldn't stack with a Resist Fire 3 that they got from (for example) an Ancestry ability.
How so? The rules about stacking would still apply so you shouldn't actually have multiple resist all's in effect. you have the biggest one.
| NorrKnekten |
The issue here is that duplicate effects is more of a guideline than an explicit rule in this scenario. Atleast I cannot find any current mention of having multiple resistances of the same type, Not applying just having. and I dont expect to find such either since that would all be redundant text prior to this errata.
As written there is nothing stopping multiple instances of the same trait/category of resistance of being active and also applying to different types but I find that hard to believe is the intention.
Few years back this wasn't the case but this errata is an actual rules change and not just a clarification, so I would expect a few open ends like this to appear.
| Easl |
How so? The rules about stacking would still apply so you shouldn't actually have multiple resist all's in effect. you have the biggest one.
Well the issue is now with the errata, it's more "Resist-A-Pick." So if you have two separate Resist All effects on you, you can pick one damage type for one and a different damage type for the other.
From the errata; There is a rule about applying multiple resistances to the same type, but a multi-type resistance can be applied to the most beneficial damage type if it could apply more than one.
So you still can't take two Resist Alls and stack them against a single giant fire hit, but if you have slashing/fire you can apply one of them to slashing and one of them to fire, because that would be "the most beneficial...if it could apply more than one."