Half-Ogre Ogrekin possible?


Rules Questions


Hello, new to Pathfinder and I had a question about race and templates. Can a half-ogre race also have the ogrekin template?


An Ogre is a Humanoid (Giant). Ogrekin can be applied to a Humanoid. So yes, it can be done. A GM might do this to add the deformities to make a special or semi-unique creature. If you're the GM, you absolutely can.

If you are a player and you're trying to make a half-ogre ogrekin, that's your GM's call. You would have a higher CR technically (+1, whether that matters or not), because the character will theoretically (deformities are random) be stronger in some way. You also have to randomly roll your deformities, you wouldn't get to choose them, since it specifically says roll randomly (a GM can waive this, obviously if they really like you).

Personally, I don't like it flavor-wise, since the character has Ogre Blood and technically counts as an ogre already, and I find it awkward to have an ogrekin ogre, but I can certainly see it from the deformity/mutation aspect.


Yeah that was ny argument. Half ogre is the race and the ogrekin is the rare mutation. Thanks


Both the Ogrekin and Half Ogre are templates that have specific stipulations on what they can be applied to. Ogrekin can only be taken by a medium humanoid. Half Ogre can only be taken by a large humanoid with the giant subtype. That means they are not cannot be taken on the same character.


Monster: Giantkin Ogre template Acq:Inherited, Smpl:No, Sum:No, Descrip: ... Ogres sometimes interbreed with other giants. The result of such crossbreeding is a giantkin ogre, which gains some abilities from its non-ogre parents. ...
Then Crossbreeding chart only lists giants. It is only to be applied to monsters, not PCs.
Inherited Templates: Some templates, such as the half-dragon and half-fiend templates, are part of a creature from the beginning of its existence. Creatures are born or created with these templates already in place, and have never known life without them. These types of templates are called "inherited templates."
This template (technically) starts with a listed giant (and ogre).

Ogerkin monster Creating an Ogrekin: “Ogrekin” is an inherited template that can be added to any Medium humanoid (referred to hereafter as the base creature). An ogrekin retains all the base creature’s statistics and special abilities except as noted here... Type: The creature’s subtype changes to giant. It is only to be applied to monsters, not PCs.
This template starts with a humanoid (and ogre) adding the (giant) subtype.

For monsters HD may change their size but both templates start at birth(inherited) so there are two obvious conflicts, type and size.
If you are playing with monsters choose one of the above and then the Advanced or Half-fiend simple template. Even with the conflict a GM could apply both (ogrekin, giantkin ogre for threequraters ogre-giantkin) for a unique monster IF it fits the story and challenge but it's not advisable.
Comment: It is more effective to add class levels than racial HD for power per CR.


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The giant kin ogre and the half ogres look to be the same idea, but from different sources. The giant kin ogre is from monster codex, where the half ogre is a variant of the ogre kin from bestiary 2. Both are the result of an ogre crossbreeding with a giant.

Half Ogres are a variant of ogrekin so you cannot take both templates on the same creature.

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