[2e] dumb question about mystics

[Michael Gentry]

Why do mystics have 1st-level feats, when they don't get any class feats until 2nd level?

[HolyFlamingo!]

Some ancestries (humans lol) can sometimes sneak in an extra lv1 class feat. So, spellcasters have lv1 feats, even if most of them can't pick them up until lv2.

[Christopher#2411504]

A bunch of PF2 classes are like that, usually Casters.

Humans can get 1st Level Class Feats via Natural Ambition. And there might be other ways to get a "Level 1 Class Feat" later down the line. Including some class Features.

[Michael Gentry]

Ah, got it, that makes sense.

[Tim Emrick]

In addition to that human ancestry feat, most multiclass dedications have a 4th-level feat that gives you a 1st- or 2nd-level feat from its class. And you can always take a lower-level class feat when you gain a new one. So there are many reasons for every class to have some 1st-level feats, whether they get one then or not.

[Justnobodyfqwl]

A great example of this are Witchwarpers. They have very general level 1 feats, but their level 2 feats are all subclass-locked reactions- you only really get one option. Many Witchwarpers are likely to pick a level 1 feat at level 2.

[Xenocrat]

Justnobodyfqwl wrote:

A great example of this are Witchwarpers. They have very general level 1 feats, but their level 2 feats are all subclass-locked reactions- you only really get one option. Many Witchwarpers are likely to pick a level 1 feat at level 2.

There are three level 2 WW feats that are not locked to subclass. Nonlethal Spell, Conceal Spell, and extra cantrips.