Flurry of Blasts questions


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OK. So the phrasing on Flurry of Blasts is horrible. Just start there.
"Instead of a single kinetic blast, you shoot two kinetic blasts at targets within 120 feet that each deal damage as if your kineticist level were 1st (effects or abilities that increase your kinetic blast’s damage don’t apply)."

So the horrible part is "Effects or abilities that increase your kinetic blast's damage don't apply" - Like what the actual???

Here are Effects and abilities that increase your blast damage:
Elemental Overflow - directly adds to hit and damage.
Elemental Overflow - can add to Con Bonus.
Aetheric Boost - can add directly to damage.
Focused Blast - can add to damage.
Point Blank Shot - adds 1 damage within 30 feet.
Kineticists Diadem - adds 1d6/1d8 damage.
Con Enhancement Items - adds con bonus.
Wish spells to increase Con - adds con bonus.

And there's probably more that I just couldn't think of off the top of my head.

So like NONE of that Applies? Take your character back down to an un-enhanced, non-magical, non-buffed out level 20 Kineticist and just do 1d6+5 max damage (18 Con) per blast? I mean, what is the point of this ability as written?

I am intent on ignoring this phrasing, but is there any clarification as to if this means "everything that can affect the damage" or just "things that add to the damage" which would be more understandable?


It doesn’t seem to be for damage. It seems to be for delivering substance infusions to multiple targets.

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What Melkiador said.

It can also be useful to blast a few mooks instead of one BBEG. You can get this talent as early as 7th level. 6th with retraining.

But yes, it could have been written a lot better. The consensus from previous threads is that you are supposed to still get your normal CON bonus including anything like headbands, a size increase, and level-up increases. You don't have to recalculate your CON score.

Spoiler:
If it directly increases your blast damage (diadem, deadly aim, the damage bonus from elemental overflow) it doesn't apply. Second-order effects that increase your Con, and therefore indirectly increase your damage, do apply.

Obviously there's no ironclad answer on this one.

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