Rules Clarification for Scroll Thaumaturgy DC


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So, I was looking at doing some scroll shenanigans, as one does, and I had a look at the Scroll Thaumaturgy Feat.

Scroll Thaumaturgy wrote:
Your multidisciplinary study of magic means you know how to activate the magic in scrolls with ease. You can activate scrolls of any magical tradition, using your thaumaturge class DC for the scroll's DC, rather than a particular spell DC. If a spell is on the spell list for multiple traditions, you choose which tradition to use at the time you activate the scroll. You can draw and activate scrolls with the same hand holding an implement, much like you can for esoterica.

If your skill proficiency would give you a better spell DC than your Thaumaturge Class DC, can you use that higher DC with Scroll Thaumaturgy's ability to bypass Trick Magic Item?

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No.

Longer answer: Trick Magic Item and Scroll Thaumaturgy are separate abilities, and don't really interact with each other.

You can try to use a scroll with Trick Magic Item. This requires spending an action on TMI, making a skill check for Arcana, Religion etc, and if all that goes well, you get a DC that's not particularly good because it starts at just your level, trained if you're a master in the skill, and expert if you're legendary in the skill.

Or, you use Scroll Thaumaturgy. You don't need to spend any action on Trick Magic Item because you're not using it. You don't need to make a skill check to see if you can use the scroll. And the DC is based on your class DC, which you're at least Trained in.

There's a theoretical situation where you'd have a higher Wisdom/Intelligence than Charisma and are master in a skill and not yet expert in thaumaturge class DC (which you get at level 9) in which you might just maybe get a slightly higher DC with trick magic item, but that requires you to be actually having an unusually low charisma, which is not really a strong idea for a thaumaturge.


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Thanks! Good to know. (The scroll shenanigans in question were seeing if Free Archetyping for skill increases could do something interesting)

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